Cally x hot 2

[hovis]

Callaway has a capital "C" as it's a name






Who invited the spelling police anyway :rofl:

Cant press the shift button on my phone with my sausage fingers

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This "hatred" of Taylor Made is only rivalled by people's detest of Apple products

People spend their whole time trying to find reasons to slate a company

It's not something I have witnessed before and I don't really understand it

Golf is about personal choice in terms of what clubs or ball the person hits

No one is forced to pick a certain brand but because some like to bring out new products on a regular basis they are deemed the root of evil by people who don't use them

Someone said earlier most of it is down to it being cool to hate the popular choice - I suspect they are right.

I'm not sure if it's amusing or pathetic.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Im pretty comfortable in saying the treatment Ive had from Orka says they care about golfers not just the profit. Yes they are one of the smaller brands but give me them rather than the big brands every day of the week

And the treatment I got when I was fitted was exactly the same

But even companies like Orka care about the profit

 

[harpo_72]

Oh pooh! I still cannot hit my xhot 4 wood consisently straight, and now they are replacing it

actuall I really don't care, I think I have realised I am the the thing that needs changing or a good service every six months

 

[HawkeyeMS]

To be honest it's all getting a bit boring now. More new irons, more jacked lofts and promises of more distance, another name to describe the super speedy clubface. The X2 Hot Pro is a full club stronger than my AP2s with 5i at 24deg (23deg in the standard version ). How long before 5 irons are 21deg? If the marketing is anything to go by in the last 2 years people have increased their iron distance by about 20yds, it's all nonsense.

None of these irons from any of the manufacturers are really anything new, remarkable or game changing.

 

[dotty001]

To be honest it's all getting a bit boring now. More new irons, more jacked lofts and promises of more distance, another name to describe the super speedy clubface. The X2 Hot Pro is a full club stronger than my AP2s with 5i at 24deg (23deg in the standard version ). How long before 5 irons are 21deg? If the marketing is anything to go by in the last 2 years people have increased their iron distance by about 20yds, it's all nonsense.

None of these irons from any of the manufacturers are really anything new, remarkable or game changing.

i bloody hope not cos i wont be able to hit the bloody thing :rofl:

 

[Hacker Khan]

I want all manufacturers to follow TMs lead and release new clubs at least every 6 months, if not sooner. As it means that punters can pick up the latest technology at cheap prices. So well done Callaway. What's not to like???

 

[Hacker Khan]

It's not something I have witnessed before and I don't really understand it

It's because the majority of posters on here still live in the 1950s and can't understand why a company would want to maximise profits by using effective marketing (and like it or not, it is effective) and having a rapid turnover of their offering.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I want all manufacturers to follow TMs lead and release new clubs at least every 6 months, if not sooner. As it means that punters can pick up the latest technology at cheap prices. So well done Callaway. What's not to like???

How much do you think the "latest technology" will gave changed in 6 months? For all the promises and claims, the manufacturers are giving us very little different if anything different to the model before. All they are doing is playing about with what they have.

How much lower can the CoG get?
How much bigger can they make the sweet spot?
How many more places are there to position the weights?
How many times can you reinvent a slot?
How many more times can you redesign a cavity?

Nothing is changing, they are just making money out of gullible folk trying to buy a better game. You can buy a decent score off the shelf and the sooner people realise that and stop lining the corporate pockets the better IMHO.

 

[Ethan]

I agree that Cally seem to be upping the tempo of their product cycle too. Mizuno have complained that they have been forced to speed their up, although it is still nowhere near TM, who lead the pack.

The other element is different lines of club. Some manufacturers now make a line for the average player (e.g. the new TM set) and one for the better player (SLDR), the latter with sublines of standard, TP etc.

Mizuno for the 2014 season will only have one wood line available and that will last 2 years. Titleist have the D2 and D3 but those are more cosmetic preferences. Titleist also have a stable set of irons, AP1, 2CB, MB which get updated every 2 years together and make little claim to be groundbreaking-ier.

 

[One Planer]

Nothing is changing, they are just making money out of gullible folk trying to buy a better game. You can buy a decent score off the shelf and the sooner people realise that and stop lining the corporate pockets the better IMHO.

Not exactly my words when describing the punters OEM's target, but I agree 100%.

There's nowt wrong with a market place flooded with the 'latest tech' as it will generally lead to lower prices, which is good for everyone in the buyers market.

I've no intention of swappng anything in my bag, unless it breaks, so the promises of OEM's fall on deaf ears.

I 100% agree with posts saying "You don't have to buy", but what rips peoples knitting is when they release the "Latest and greatest" only for it to be superceeded 6 months later with the next best thing, then market it as such.

If I went out, today for the sake of argument, tried and SLDR and hit it 20 yards consistently further than my Titleist D2, would I be bonkers to buy it at it's current price tag, knowing the Jetspeed-ier is not long due for release?

To which I'd probably be told

"Wait 6 months then"

Fair enough, I wait 6 months, the SLDR has now dropped to the price of an R11s (£149) and the Jetspeed-ier is still selling well.

...... But hang on

TM are due to release the the Jetspeed-iers replacement, so now I have the dilemma of what to buy all over again.

It's pathetic.

 

[markgs]

Donnay!

dunlop

 

[Hacker Khan]

How much do you think the "latest technology" will gave changed in 6 months? For all the promises and claims, the manufacturers are giving us very little different if anything different to the model before. All they are doing is playing about with what they have.

How much lower can the CoG get?
How much bigger can they make the sweet spot?
How many more places are there to position the weights?
How many times can you reinvent a slot?
How many more times can you redesign a cavity?

Nothing is changing, they are just making money out of gullible folk trying to buy a better game. You can buy a decent score off the shelf and the sooner people realise that and stop lining the corporate pockets the better IMHO.

I know that, you know that, most people on the board know that. But again, I will ask what is the problem. I really am struggling to see who this is harming? You claim they are fleecing gullible folk. But are they really? Are there really so many golfers being forced to buy a new set of clubs every time the latest models are released?

And anyway, some people like buying new clubs, sometimes because it excites them and makes them feel good. Like some people like buying shoes, or cars, or shirts, whatever. You could argue that people do don't need more than one set of shoes or one coat or one pair of glasses, but most people have more. Jeez, the number of threads on here about new shineys where people talk about having 5 putters, 2 drivers, buying stuff of ebay on the cheap. I assume people do realise that if there was not such a fast turnover of models then second hand clubs would cost a lot more?

If you think it is in the best interest of the game for the manufacturers not to make much money or profit or for golfers to have to pay full whack for a set of clubs and then wait 2 years until they are discounted then fair enough. But I can't really see many downsides as long as the person, especially someone on this board, who buys a set of clubs understands that there will be a newer model along pretty soon. Which I am sure they do.

 

[Hacker Khan]

If I went out, today for the sake of argument, tried and SLDR and hit it 20 yards consistently further than my Titleist D2, would I be bonkers to buy it at it's current price tag, knowing the Jetspeed-ier is not long due for release?

To which I'd probably be told

"Wait 6 months then"

Fair enough, I wait 6 months, the SLDR has now dropped to the price of an R11s (£149) and the Jetspeed-ier is still selling well.

...... But hang on

TM are due to release the the Jetspeed-iers replacement, so now I have the dilemma of what to buy all over again.

It's pathetic.

Why are you waiting 6 months just because someone tells you to? If you find a club that hits it 20 yards further then buy it if you think it is worth the investment. If not then don't bother and wait till it's cheaper and buy it then. Simples really. Don't blame the manufacturer for producing a club that goes further

 

[One Planer]

Why are you waiting 6 months just because someone tells you to?

I'd not be waiting 6 months because someone told me to

I'd be waiting for the next model release to get the one I wanted cheaper.

If you find a club that hits it 20 yards further then buy it if you think it is worth the investment. If not then don't bother and wait till it's cheaper and buy it then

Exactly my point.

However, When the price does drop because of a new model release, would temptation not get you to try the newer model too?

Don't blame the manufacturer for producing a club that goes further

I'm not blaming the OEM for making a driver that goes further

I'm questioning there frequent release policy.

 

[NWJocko]

How much do you think the "latest technology" will gave changed in 6 months? For all the promises and claims, the manufacturers are giving us very little different if anything different to the model before. All they are doing is playing about with what they have.

How much lower can the CoG get?
How much bigger can they make the sweet spot?
How many more places are there to position the weights?
How many times can you reinvent a slot?
How many more times can you redesign a cavity?

Nothing is changing, they are just making money out of gullible folk trying to buy a better game. You can buy a decent score off the shelf and the sooner people realise that and stop lining the corporate pockets the better IMHO.

So if we stop "lining the corporate pockets" manufacturers may struggle then disappear giving the consumer (us) less choice at an inflated price......

Seems like a magic idea

I do sometimes wonder why TM in particular seems to stir up such strong feelings on both sides, as most manufacturers do a similar thing

 

[AmandaJR]

I'm not one for swapping clubs but did test the X Hot when it came out and got on well with the driver. I didn't buy one but was tempted. When I saw the advert for the new (better??) version I immediately thought I'd be a bit narked if I had invested and so quickly something "better" had been put on the market which depreciated the value of mine. I'm not sure what time gap there was betwen the G20 and G25 irons but it was enough for me not to feel I'd been "had".

Perhaps TM, Callaway and any other tempted to follow a similar route are missing a trick in terms of brand loyalty and the negative impact that multiple model issues in a short space of time has on that.

 

[NWJocko]

I'm not one for swapping clubs but did test the X Hot when it came out and got on well with the driver. I didn't buy one but was tempted. When I saw the advert for the new (better??) version I immediately thought I'd be a bit narked if I had invested and so quickly something "better" had been put on the market which depreciated the value of mine. I'm not sure what time gap there was betwen the G20 and G25 irons but it was enough for me not to feel I'd been "had".

Perhaps TM, Callaway and any other tempted to follow a similar route are missing a trick in terms of brand loyalty and the negative impact that multiple model issues in a short space of time has on that.

Re the x hot and being narked, really?

I got the X hot pro driver and am not bothered at all there's a new one out, I'm hoping it may save me a few quid buying a fairway wood!!

 

[HawkeyeMS]

So if we stop "lining the corporate pockets" manufacturers may struggle then disappear giving the consumer (us) less choice at an inflated price......

Seems like a magic idea

I do sometimes wonder why TM in particular seems to stir up such strong feelings on both sides, as most manufacturers do a similar thing

People will still buy clubs. People are still buying Titleist clubs even though they released every 2 years. TBH, I would rather pay more for something that was genuinely different than less for the same club with different look. It's not like I'm going to be buying them often (but then maybe I'm in the minority). I would also be happier if when I came to sell my second hand clubs were worth more because the market wasn't flooded.

If the manufacturers were really offering us something new every 6 months then fine, but the technology isn't really changing, it hasn't really changed for years so apart from making themselves loads of money, what good are they actually doing the customer and golf in general?

 

[BTatHome]

The funny thing is its exactly the same with the mobile industry at the moment, it was mentioned earlier about apple products. They can release a new phone every year, and generally very little changes between them, in fact the latest iterations of the iPhone are prime examples of this, and yet each autumn people are literally queuing up to get get one, usually upgrading one that was only bought a year ago and it's still perfectly functional (and sometimes still paying a 2 year contract too). There are some that will buy every year, without fail, simply because it's the latest one, and there are some that will wait until the end of the contract to get another. Some will buy last years model specifically because it's much much cheaper and because they know it still does everything they want without compromising anything. It may be the older model but it functions, makes phone calls, downloads apps and browses the web ... and they saved themselves a hundred quid too.

Strange how similar the two industries are. I wonder how many people hate TM products on here and yet still have a new phone each year (even more often for some people I know) even though the old one still works fine