Bunkers with water

[Deeber]

Hi

Quick question. Last Saturday in our medal I landed in a bunker 50% full of water. Bunkers we still in play but there was nowhere I could take a free drop in the bunker that was not closer to the hole. What is the rule here? I elected to drop within the bunker closer to the hole where of course it plugged and ended up walking off with a triple!! Could I have dropped outside the hazard?

 

[SammmeBee]

Yes under penalty or drop in shallower water no nearer the hole.

Can’t drop nearer the hole....

 

[chrisd]

Hi

Quick question. Last Saturday in our medal I landed in a bunker 50% full of water. Bunkers we still in play but there was nowhere I could take a free drop in the bunker that was not closer to the hole. What is the rule here? I elected to drop within the bunker closer to the hole where of course it plugged and ended up walking off with a triple!! Could I have dropped outside the hazard?

Yes, under penalty

 

[Deeber]

Yes, under penalty

Thanks Chris

So dropping nearer the hole in the hazard is OK without penalty?

 

[SammmeBee]

Thanks Chris

So dropping nearer the hole in the hazard is OK without penalty?

NO.....!

 

[chrisd]

Thanks Chris

So dropping nearer the hole in the hazard is OK without penalty?

No, you cant drop nearer the hole in any circumstances that I'm aware of.

 

[Deeber]

Thanks guys have a good day

 

[rulefan]

Thanks Chris

So dropping nearer the hole in the hazard is OK without penalty?

NO it is not.

c. Relief for Ball in Bunker
If a player’s ball is in a bunker and there is interference by an abnormal course condition on the course, the player may take either free relief under (1) or penalty relief under (2):

(1) Free Relief: Playing from Bunker. The player may take free relief under Rule 16.1b, except that:

• The nearest point of complete relief and the relief area must be in the bunker.
• If there is no such nearest point of complete relief in the bunker, the player may still take this relief by using the point of maximum available relief in the bunker as the reference point.

(2) Penalty Relief: Playing from Outside Bunker (Back-On-the-Line Relief). For one penalty stroke, the player may drop the original ball or another ball (see Rule 14.3) in a relief area based on a reference line going straight back from the hole through the spot of the original ball:

 

[Slab]

No, you cant drop nearer the hole in any circumstances that I'm aware of.

Now that the Q's been answered & forgetting bunkers) maybe the rules guys would like to list the circumstances where a drop nearer the the hole is allowed?

 

[rulefan]

DZ
But shouldn't this be in a new thread?

 

[mikejohnchapman]

Now that the Q's been answered & forgetting bunkers) maybe the rules guys would like to list the circumstances where a drop nearer the the hole is allowed?

Only ones I have seen are designated drop zones where grandstands etc prevent it going further away.

 

[Colin L]

Your ball rebounds from a tree or something, comes to rest behind you and you elect to play stroke and distance.

 

[SammmeBee]

Or when it gets stuck up a tree and you drop below where the ball is.

 

[rulefan]

Or when it gets stuck up a tree and you drop below where the ball is.

19.2c/1 – Reference Point for Lateral Relief When Ball Is Not on the Ground
When a player’s ball lies above the ground (such as in a bush or a tree), the player may take lateral relief by using the point on the ground directly below the spot of the ball as his or her reference point:

• The relief area is within two club-lengths of and no closer to the hole than that reference point on the ground (see Rule 19.2c).

 

[rulefan]

Only ones I have seen are designated drop zones where grandstands etc prevent it going further away.

See #10

See also Sawgrass hole 17.

 

[Orikoru]

Seems a bit unfair to have to take a penalty drop just because the bunker you landed in is full of water. Sad times. Hey ho.

 

[SammmeBee]

19.2c/1 – Reference Point for Lateral Relief When Ball Is Not on the Ground
When a player’s ball lies above the ground (such as in a bush or a tree), the player may take lateral relief by using the point on the ground directly below the spot of the ball as his or her reference point:

• The relief area is within two club-lengths of and no closer to the hole than that reference point on the ground (see Rule 19.2c).

The reference point is nearer the hole - basic trigonometry......but I get your point!

 

[woofers]

Seems a bit unfair to have to take a penalty drop just because the bunker you landed in is full of water. Sad times. Hey ho.

Agreed, when the situation could surely be avoided by course management marking the bunker as GUR.

 

[rulefan]

The reference point is nearer the hole - basic trigonometry......but I get your point!

I think measurements are taken on the horizontal plane, not point to point. But I can't now find the reference.

 

[rulefan]

Seems a bit unfair

That's life and golf