Buggy in a Casual round

[rulie]

An external observation - reading this and other topics, it seems that there are some people (organizations?) that are bent on finding reasons for supplementary scores not be be acceptable for handicap purposes - this seems contrary to the objective of having more scores available/used to determine a player's handicap. I say "external" because I'm in Canada, and I used a buggy last year for 75% of my 90 rounds entered for handicap purposes (none were in formal competitions). There were no questions asked and no medical letter required. I recognize that there are competitions where the terms would say no buggy without medical letter, but those are limited to provincial and national competitions (ie, never for club or regional competitions). The cultures are different, but if buggies were not permitted in our club or regional competitions, the competition would fail due to lack of entries.

 

[Swango1980]

An external observation - reading this and other topics, it seems that there are some people (organizations?) that are bent on finding reasons for supplementary scores not be be acceptable for handicap purposes - this seems contrary to the objective of having more scores available/used to determine a player's handicap. I say "external" because I'm in Canada, and I used a buggy last year for 75% of my 90 rounds entered for handicap purposes (none were in formal competitions). There were no questions asked and no medical letter required. I recognize that there are competitions where the terms would say no buggy without medical letter, but those are limited to provincial and national competitions (ie, never for club or regional competitions). The cultures are different, but if buggies were not permitted in our club or regional competitions, the competition would fail due to lack of entries.

I'd imagine 99% of clubs in the UK would accept general play scores for handicap for players using buggies. Regardless of their Terms of Competition.

 

[Griffsters]

Good grief, people tie themselves up in knots over this stuff!

Use a buggy for your general round if you want to and course conditions allow, its fine.

 

[Colin L]

I'd imagine 99% of clubs in the UK would accept general play scores for handicap for players using buggies. Regardless of their Terms of Competition.

I'd be astonished if any didn't and surprised if many had even thought about the matter. If any did, they wouldn't have gone beyond the immediate realisation that general play rather obviously isn't a competition and get on with encouraging members to put scores in.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Why do you seem to suggest that 2.1 doesn't apply?

Because. SG. Confirmed. This.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

I presume this is a written answer to a specific question and not just some ones interpretation of what was being said. If it was do you have a copy of what was written? As already said it easy to misquote/interpret " played as if is a competition".

As I have already said rule 2.1 allows such a DQ as an acceptable score for handicapping as it is a DQ for a Local Rules infringement in a competition.

It's on the Scottish Golf Hive, from the person rolling out WHS in Scotland. He's English if that helps you accept it?

 

[Deleted member 30522]

2.1b does not mention DQ in respect of General Play. It simply says "a score is not acceptable for handicap purposes if ......."
It goes on to mention the Rules of Golf but not Terms of Competition.
However, as there is no competition there can be no Terms of Competition

ffs
Can you not just take different words that mean the same thing to mean the same thing?

I apologise for not digging into the rules so that I could quote word for word but instead paraphrased exactly what is written there, the score will be deleted, as I actually did say

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Good grief, people tie themselves up in knots over this stuff!

Use a buggy for your general round if you want to and course conditions allow, its fine.

Bounce game yes, but if your club doesn't allow a buggy in competition, then same applies for a General Play score.

 

[Colin L]

Good grief, people tie themselves up in knots over this stuff!
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If we were paid, that's what we'd be paid for. But we're not and so it all comes for free. Enjoy!

 

[Swango1980]

Bounce game yes, but if your club doesn't allow a buggy in competition, then same applies for a General Play score.

I am pretty convinced that either Scottish Golf have got this very wrong, or you have badly misinterpreted what you have read.

If a club bans the use of distance measuring devices, and a player used one in General Play, do you think that score should be deleted from their handicap record as well?

 

[Colin L]

Bounce game yes, but if your club doesn't allow a buggy in competition, then same applies for a General Play score.

Can you offer a reference from the WHS Rules of Handicapping to support that?

 

[wjemather]

I am pretty convinced that either Scottish Golf have got this very wrong, or you have badly misinterpreted what you have read.

I wonder which it could be...

 

[tobybarker]

Our club never stipulates whether a buggy can be used... If you want one, hire one and jog on

 

[Foxholer]

Here's an extract from one of the docs attached to the SG Hive BB mentioned. There was no reference to Conditions of Comps having to be applied to recreational rounds.

Scores from all individual formats of stroke play (competition and recreational) are acceptable for handicap purposes, provided you:
✓ Ensure another person is present during the round;
✓ Play to the Rules of Golf; and
✓ Your score is attested.

And heres the one from SG's site...
In order to submit a General Play score, you must:

• Register for your General Play score before you tee-off.
• Follow the Rules of Golf and hole out every putt.
• Play with at least one other person.
• Play on a course with a current Course Rating and Slope Rating.
• Play during an active season.
• Ensure the round is in accordance with Rules of Handicapping.

So I'm calling BS on BB's assertion - unless/until he can provide the actual text that backs his claim!

 

[hairball_89]

Our club never stipulates whether a buggy can be used... If you want one, hire one and jog on

I think the point here is that those hiring a buggy don't jog!

 

[rulefan]

How can there be a Term of Competition if there isn't a Competition?

 

[Colin L]

How can there be a Term of Competition if there isn't a Competition?

Exactly.

 

[sandzi]

I'm visiting from the USA. My left foot has developed several very painful neuromas (inflamed nerves) that make it difficult and painful to walk 18 holes--the best I can do is walk 11-12 holes before I need to quit playing. Most courses I've played in England have allowed me to use a buggy. Three courses I've booked (and paid) request a Medical Certificate to use a buggy. I don't have a UK doctor and have had not been able to make an appointment with any UK doctor. Any thoughts on what I might do?

 

[rulefan]

I'm visiting from the USA. My left foot has developed several very painful neuromas (inflamed nerves) that make it difficult and painful to walk 18 holes--the best I can do is walk 11-12 holes before I need to quit playing. Most courses I've played in England have allowed me to use a buggy. Three courses I've booked (and paid) request a Medical Certificate to use a buggy. I don't have a UK doctor and have had not been able to make an appointment with any UK doctor. Any thoughts on what I might do?

Are they asking for a med cert for general play or because you have entered a competition?

 

[sandzi]

No competition, just general play. Tourist golf package. A couple of Royal courses.

This is a typical sports injury--I've had them treated in the past. But can't get them treated here. I've been told if it hurts, stop walking.