Brussels airport attack

[Crazyface]

All well and good but how many of these will it take before someone actually goes and does something about it.........or should we just let them continue as if nothing happened.

That's what will happen. It's a disgrace. Our so called leaders sit on their hands and say lots of sympathetic words but do nothing. When will we get someone who has got the doodahs to do something about all this. Please let Trump get in. He will stir thing up big style. Unless the USA powers stop him a la Kennedy.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I'm sure you know the stats that they are more likely to be killed by the coach crashing or in the car on the way to Gatwick than terrorism.

And parents on sons stag dos? Really? But I think that may well be off topic.

Chris is the Stripper :whoo:


Feel a bit ill now

Back on track

its all very well Trump etc saying "bomb Isis", but these look like home grown terrorists, who were born there.

Its a massive problem and will rely on members of their own communities to report potential terrorists,
Long way to go methinks

 

[Rooter]

You think todays attacks could have been prevented by having better security?!

nope, i was in Brussels airport about 3 weeks ago and they have a heavy Army presence with automatic machine guns primed and ready. One would think they did their best, but if someone walks in with a concealed vest bomb, there is not a huge amount they could have done. thoughts are with the people of Belgium whom i work with on a daily basis and frequent a lot. Looking forward to telling the Mrs i am off there again soon.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Probably because it's the biggest problem faced in Britain since WW2!

Deal with it as it's not going away.

Nope, Bankers and economy are the Big problem, we've never stopped fighting terrorism/extremists and we never will.

Immagration is the cop out to all our woes.

 

[pokerjoke]

I believe we are very lucky in this country to have such good intelligence and most attacks are spotted early.
However it is absolutely impossible to stop every attack and I suppose the unfortunate ones are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

What does get me though is the need to boost security when an attack happens surely no-one is going to attack again when this happens, it has to be on full alert all the time but we all know this cant happen due to resources and cost.

My fear is we will forever be under attack and Britain is a prime target and I really worry for my kids especially my daughter who is in London.

Lets just hope our intelligence is always one step ahead and the brave security services personal keep doing such a great job.

 

[Rooter]

Lets just hope our intelligence is always one step ahead and the brave security services personal keep doing such a great job.

Exactly! Spot on.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I believe we are very lucky in this country to have such good intelligence and most attacks are spotted early.
However it is absolutely impossible to stop every attack and I suppose the unfortunate ones are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

What does get me though is the need to boost security when an attack happens surely no-one is going to attack again when this happens, it has to be on full alert all the time but we all know this cant happen due to resources and cost.

My fear is we will forever be under attack and Britain is a prime target and I really worry for my kids especially my daughter who is in London.

Lets just hope our intelligence is always one step ahead and the brave security services personal keep doing such a great job.

Well said Tony, unfortunately the years of fighting the IRA and other extremists is no doubt at times putting our intelligence services one step ahead of the game.

We can only hope we continue to deter them and one day we find a peaceful solution.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's what will happen. It's a disgrace. Our so called leaders sit on their hands and say lots of sympathetic words but do nothing. When will we get someone who has got the doodahs to do something about all this. Please let Trump get in. He will stir thing up big style. Unless the USA powers stop him a la Kennedy.

It's extremely incorrect to say our leaders do nothing

 

[Old Skier]

We didn't have these problems then so it would not be the same. I can remember travelling through Belgium to Germany and being held up by the Belgium's at Aachen longer than anywhere else.

I think you'll find it might have been the German side but as I wasn't with you I cannot comment. I can only comment on my experience from the early 70s to the 80s.

 

[Old Skier]

Sky News reports third man detained. He must be a right numpty.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

That's the problem. They see everyone as a legitimate target and will continue to do so, and will continue to look for soft targets like today

I suspect that the perpetrators of such acts of atrocity do not think of the targets and consequences of their acts in terms of human lives and the impact the act has on the lives of individuals and their families, nor indeed particularly on the impact the act has on (western) governments and the populace.

Rather I suspect that the value of the act is simply their 'pride' in the doing of the act itself, and how they and the act are viewed by those of the same mindset and how it might 'bolster' their cause, whatever that cause might be other than just 'rage against the western machine'

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If you doubled or trebled security at the airport the terrorists would simply find other targets wouldn't they? Its impossible to protect every school, pub, restaurant, shop, etc, etc.

It could quite easily have been Heathrow today instead.

See for example Guildford and Birmingham pub bombs.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I've been travelling throughout Europe for several month. Every single airport, both within the UK and elsewhere in Europe, is wide open to attacks before you get to the check in. C'mon, guys, you all know how easy it is to get as far as security before your bags are checked. Saying we're better is just plain stupid.

And the airport bomb was before security - where in the UK anyone and everyone can just walk in unchecked and unimpeded with whatever luggage and packages they wish to bring with them.

We went to the States in August 2006 immediately following discovery of a plot to blow up transatlantic flight. Tents were set up all along the drop off area outside Heathrow Term 4 as holding areas for passengers. We had to hang around outside in the tents until our flight was ready to depart. Only then were we allowed into the terminal building to check-in - which of course was almost empty of passengers. Once in the terminal building there were armed police on the balcony and throughout the concourse watching everyone as we proceeded to check-in.

I suspect that that is where we are heading. Passengers will be allocated an arrival time and you are only allowed into the terminal building in that time slot with some basic (sniffer?) security checks as you enter. And when in the terminal building you must then to go direct to check-in and then through full security checks.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I also believe that our best and last line of defence against terrorist attack are our ethnic minority communities. I want 'them' to be 'us'; I want them to consider themselves as 'us'; I hugely value those communities as being our eyes and ears on the ground, we must fully embrace and value these communities - even more so than we currently do. We must not alienate, marginalise and build resentment in these communities - 'they' are 'us'

 

[turkish]

I also believe that our best and last line of defence against terrorist attack are our ethnic minority communities. I want 'them' to be 'us'; I want them to consider themselves as 'us'; I hugely value those communities as being our eyes and ears on the ground, we must fully embrace and value these communities - even more so than we currently do. We must not alienate, marginalise and build resentment in these communities - 'they' are 'us'

I agree- social integration really doesn't appear to have happened well in the last 40 years- even when I was back at school although we all spoke to each other and got on well with each other the minorities all kind of stuck together. This was pre 9/11 and I honestly never seen any racism in all my 6 years there. Not sure what Schools are like today.

Even now when I meet old classmates I get on well with them but it never worked out that we were great mates going on nights out or doing activities like sports etc

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I agree- social integration really doesn't appear to have happened well in the last 40 years- even when I was back at school although we all spoke to each other and got on well with each other the minorities all kind of stuck together. This was pre 9/11 and I honestly never seen any racism in all my 6 years there. Not sure what Schools are like today.

Even now when I meet old classmates I get on well with them but it never worked out that we were great mates going on nights out or doing activities like sports etc

Being from where I am from - when I was at school most of my friends were Jewish.

And I thought that they were the lucky ones - as they got extra holidays ... I never had an inkling of any discrimination they suffered - they were just my mates

 

[nailed it]

That's what will happen. It's a disgrace. Our so called leaders sit on their hands and say lots of sympathetic words but do nothing. When will we get someone who has got the doodahs to do something about all this. Please let Trump get in. He will stir thing up big style. Unless the USA powers stop him a la Kennedy.

Amen brother.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Amen brother.

Quite - Trump becomes POTUS and we might all do well to say our prayers

 

[SocketRocket]

I've been travelling throughout Europe for several month. Every single airport, both within the UK and elsewhere in Europe, is wide open to attacks before you get to the check in. C'mon, guys, you all know how easy it is to get as far as security before your bags are checked. Saying we're better is just plain stupid.

Thats not what I was saying. I suggested that our security services like MI5, GCHQ etc are very good at detecting terrorists before they carry out attacks. I agree that when these people get into an airport or on a tube it's too late. Belgium does not have this expertise and seems to have taken a rather passive stance within their own communities where some have been described as no go areas for the police.

 

[SocketRocket]

I also believe that our best and last line of defence against terrorist attack are our ethnic minority communities. I want 'them' to be 'us'; I want them to consider themselves as 'us'; I hugely value those communities as being our eyes and ears on the ground, we must fully embrace and value these communities - even more so than we currently do. We must not alienate, marginalise and build resentment in these communities - 'they' are 'us'

Many don't want to be 'Us' though, they want us to be 'Them'. Islam is a very backward culture, it treats Women appallingly and has a low opinion of anyone outside it. Much of the medieval attitude concerning law and punishment within the religion seems to emanate from Saudi who appear to be the driving force that has turned back the clock 1,000 years for Muslims.

The Muslim communities have had plenty of time to make their strongest protestations against Jihad but they choose rather to say little that goes against their ultimate aim. Multiculturalism is a one way track.