Brexit Two Months On

[Foxholer]

This is the sort of thing that shows part of what's wrong with the EU. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37749236

Isn't that the same thing that has been the sticking point for the TTIP agreement - but at rather higher/more visible level?

TTIP's rules that allow corporations to sue governments for legitimate laws, that restrict those corporations profits, are obscene!

It's not the EU that's the problem! It's the multi-national corporations - and their endless search for greater profit (the epitome of Capitalism) that are THE problem! Some in-between seems to me to be the optimum balance, but it takes events such as the issues with CETA to highlight the problems!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

May invites the First Ministers of Wales, NI and Scotland to discuss Brexit at No10, tells them to sod off, then declares it was a positive meeting.
It really does feel like UKIP have now taken over the reigns of the UK.

 

[MarkE]

.. i agree there is a case of reform,,,, however we are throwing the baby out with the bath water.

The biggest strength of London financial machine is how international it is. Will London continue to be hub if passporting is not available, is debatable. While high street banking operation will survive, the future of money machine that constitutes non-retail bank is difficult. Wasn't Manchester the weaving capital of the world? I am sure someone is going to come around and say that European banks will need to be in the UK, but has anyone seen how (relatively) small a pure-UK asset book is? Surely there are other opportunities e.g. Renminbi based trading will grow as China expands. Also dont forget London Stock Exchange is in final merger talks with Germany's Deutsche Boerse, so the argument that they will all come here because they want to be on the LSE does not hold much water either.

On the flip side, UK could play a blinder by halfing Corporate tax or declare itself to be a tax haven. Great to retain corporate, but not so great with the Treasury and worse with electorate...

All good points. The government will make sure, one way or another that London retains it's position, it's too big of a contributer to the UK coffers. The merger, from what I understand will be beneficial to all sides and will not diminish the UK's standing.
I'm sure the threat of the UK lowering corporation tax to undercut the eu will be one of the bargaining positions in negotiations.

 

[MegaSteve]

Isn't that the same thing that has been the sticking point for the TTIP agreement - but at rather higher/more visible level?

TTIP's rules that allow corporations to sue governments for legitimate laws, that restrict those corporations profits, are obscene!

It's not the EU that's the problem! It's the multi-national corporations - and their endless search for greater profit (the epitome of Capitalism) that are THE problem! Some in-between seems to me to be the optimum balance, but it takes events such as the issues with CETA to highlight the problems!

I wonder if Ms Sturgeon has the balls to explain the full implications of TTIP to the good folk of Scotland... Already been some pretty serious demonstrations against it in Germany...

Sadly, even with brexit I reckon whoever is in at Westminster will be having same/similar talks with the US... The ordinary working person hasn't got a great deal to look forward too...

 

[vkurup]

That article is BS but I see you are still hoping the country ill. maybe it's time for you to leave.

Oh wise one.. please do let me know how you made that inference???

I am not surprised that you seem to shank all your opinion about others just as your name suggests..

 

[Hobbit]

Isn't that the same thing that has been the sticking point for the TTIP agreement - but at rather higher/more visible level?

TTIP's rules that allow corporations to sue governments for legitimate laws, that restrict those corporations profits, are obscene!

It's not the EU that's the problem! It's the multi-national corporations - and their endless search for greater profit (the epitome of Capitalism) that are THE problem! Some in-between seems to me to be the optimum balance, but it takes events such as the issues with CETA to highlight the problems!

I wonder if Ms Sturgeon has the balls to explain the full implications of TTIP to the good folk of Scotland... Already been some pretty serious demonstrations against it in Germany...

Sadly, even with brexit I reckon whoever is in at Westminster will be having same/similar talks with the US... The ordinary working person hasn't got a great deal to look forward too...

I find it hard to believe that the EU is still trying to push this through. Its a disgusting piece of legislation, and transparently so. Who's taking the backhanders to push it through, coz no one in the right mind would accept this for their country!

 

[Old Skier]

May invites the First Ministers of Wales, NI and Scotland to discuss Brexit at No10, tells them to sod off, then declares it was a positive meeting.
It really does feel like UKIP have now taken over the reigns of the UK.

Perhaps as you have such intimate knowledge of the meeting you could tell us what biscuits were available and was it tea or coffee.

 

[SocketRocket]

Perhaps as you have such intimate knowledge of the meeting you could tell us what biscuits were available and was it tea or coffee.

There was a problem with the Tea and Coffee as NS had soured the milk.

 

[SocketRocket]

Good to hear that the Banks are making plans to leave/relocate..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37743700

... Some might say, that is not a problem.. after all what have the Banks done for us? Other than employing a couple of million people directly or indirectly, paying handsome bonus which is then trickled down in various forms, push up house prices, bloat up pension pots via the stock market, pay taxes that fill the coffers and is UK biggest export. ... nah, nothing important here.

Oh wise one.. please do let me know how you made that inference???

I am not surprised that you seem to shank all your opinion about others just as your name suggests..

That's where I made the inference! Speaks for it's self.

Certainly a good idea to shank your posts into the rough where they belong.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So what's changed then in the last couple of weeks or is it the same back and forth biting and bitching between the same people ?

Maybe it's just me but think the last couple of days have provided a different t perspective on things but if I was like what the posters are like on this thread in the past then I can only apologise for the tedious dull repetitive nature of what I posted on various threads around the forum and just hope that sooner or later whatever happens with the UK and the EU is sorted to stop these depressing threads appearing and then dragging on and on and on with the same point from both sides being regurgitated over and over again

 

[MegaSteve]

I find it hard to believe that the EU is still trying to push this through. Its a disgusting piece of legislation, and transparently so. Who's taking the backhanders to push it through, coz no one in the right mind would accept this for their country!

Without the intervention of the good folk of Wallonia the EU would be signing up for a watered down version of TTIP with Canada this coming Friday...

 

[MarkE]

So what's changed then in the last couple of weeks or is it the same back and forth biting and bitching between the same people ?

Maybe it's just me but think the last couple of days have provided a different t perspective on things but if I was like what the posters are like on this thread in the past then I can only apologise for the tedious dull repetitive nature of what I posted on various threads around the forum and just hope that sooner or later whatever happens with the UK and the EU is sorted to stop these depressing threads appearing and then dragging on and on and on with the same point from both sides being regurgitated over and over again

Why are you reading it if it's not your cup of tea? Personally, it's the first thread I look at every day.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Perhaps as you have such intimate knowledge of the meeting you could tell us what biscuits were available and was it tea or coffee.

Now that is just being silly.........Try finding our what the First Ministers on NI, Wales and Scotland said.
It is probably not in 'The News Where You Are'.

 

[Foxholer]

So what's changed then in the last couple of weeks or is it the same back and forth biting and bitching between the same people ?

Maybe it's just me but think the last couple of days have provided a different t perspective on things but if I was like what the posters are like on this thread in the past then I can only apologise for the tedious dull repetitive nature of what I posted on various threads around the forum and just hope that sooner or later whatever happens with the UK and the EU is sorted to stop these depressing threads appearing and then dragging on and on and on with the same point from both sides being regurgitated over and over again

Apology accepted!

Entrenched attitudes rarely provide entertaining discussion - rather like obsessive Football fans, there is no likelihood of reasoned discussion!

That accepted, there is no place for personal abuse or insults in any discussion, something that has happened far too frequently in this thread! Not only does it tend to negate the value of the argument (imo), but it breaches Forum rules!

 

[SocketRocket]

Good to hear that the Banks are making plans to leave/relocate..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37743700

... Some might say, that is not a problem.. after all what have the Banks done for us? Other than employing a couple of million people directly or indirectly, paying handsome bonus which is then trickled down in various forms, push up house prices, bloat up pension pots via the stock market, pay taxes that fill the coffers and is UK biggest export. ... nah, nothing important here.

So what's changed then in the last couple of weeks or is it the same back and forth biting and bitching between the same people ?

Maybe it's just me but think the last couple of days have provided a different t perspective on things but if I was like what the posters are like on this thread in the past then I can only apologise for the tedious dull repetitive nature of what I posted on various threads around the forum and just hope that sooner or later whatever happens with the UK and the EU is sorted to stop these depressing threads appearing and then dragging on and on and on with the same point from both sides being regurgitated over and over again

It's really not compulsory reading. Don't look.

 

[vkurup]

It's really not compulsory reading. Don't look.

Finally we agree on something.. not worth reading.. Still hasn't got his head out from the wrong end, must love hearing his own echo.

Sorry for the language, but cant help if people behave like they are Donald Trump..

 

[Old Skier]

Now that is just being silly.........Try finding our what the First Ministers on NI, Wales and Scotland said.
It is probably not in 'The News Where You Are'.

Nor in the news where you are. If it was it would only prove the point that giving out information the press in a confidential meeting would undermine the negotiating position of the UK.

 

[SocketRocket]

Finally we agree on something.. not worth reading.. Still hasn't got his head out from the wrong end, must love hearing his own echo.

Sorry for the language, but cant help if people behave like they are Donald Trump..

I apologise for inserting your previous quote, I had forgotten to untick it.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Apology accepted!

Entrenched attitudes rarely provide entertaining discussion - rather like obsessive Football fans, there is no likelihood of reasoned discussion!

That accepted, there is no place for personal abuse or insults in any discussion, something that has happened far too frequently in this thread! Not only does it tend to negate the value of the argument (imo), but it breaches Forum rules!

So report posts that cross the line, so that we can keep the Forum a happy and nice place to be.

No point in bleating after the event....

BAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Nor in the news where you are. If it was it would only prove the point that giving out information the press in a confidential meeting would undermine the negotiating position of the UK.

Eh.... the three first ministers responses to the meeting have been widely quoted in the press and online.