Brexit Two Months On

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So looks like the media lapped up the Unilever-Marmite-Tesco story and if you think this was a issue for multinationals giants then here is anecdote that I hadn't thought about before.
Visiting the farmer markets and the guys are feeling the impact. They think that they won't find east Europeans to pick fruits and veg or pay double the rate to find 'locals' who they can't find anyways. So they will either have to double the rates they charge customers and therefore drive away customers or they reduce their production.. this bres*it is hitting everyone....

How the heck are we going to find 10s of thousands of unemployed Brits from the unemployed to work in the fields when half of them are on sickness or disability benefits with bad backs...

 

[Hobbit]

Excoriating critique by Matthew Parris of the performance of May and the three Brexiteers in today's Times. His conclusion? They haven't a scoobies about what to do.

Meanwhile north of the border Nicola S lays out the parameters of the soft Brexit the SNP require - as she said she would do after meeting with May the day after the EU referendum- knowing pretty much full well that May will fail to deliver against them. And Sturgeon can say to the Scottish electorate - 'well I tried'.

And in a marvellous move, TMay does not include the secretaries of state for NI, Wales and Scotland in her core Brexit team - providing further evidence - if that were needed - that Breakfast means Breakfast means Full English Breakfast - to be followed one suspects by a Dog's Dinner of a departure.

But of course this is all the fault of the Remoaners, the Remainiacs, of course it is - blame the powerless defeated for the failures of the clueless victors - nice one.

Why would Theresa May "fail to deliver," when there isn't a requirement to deliver? Krankie might want the sun, the moon and the stars but there's no requirement to deliver. It's not a failure when you don't give someone something you don't want to give them.

But I do note that she is will to accept Brexit, albeit a "soft one."

Why include the Secretaries of State for etc etc? This is a UK policy decision. Do they get included for any other UK/foreign policy decisions?

 

[Hobbit]

How the heck are we going to find 10s of thousands of unemployed Brits from the unemployed to work in the fields when half of them are on sickness or disability benefits with bad backs...

If half of them are on sickness benefit the unemployment level would be 180,000. There are less than 90,000 on disability benefits. Do you really think you're going to be taken seriously if you throw wildly inaccurate statements like the above around?

That's up there with the "£350 million."

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If half of them are on sickness benefit the unemployment level would be 180,000. There are less than 90,000 on disability benefits. Do you really think you're going to be taken seriously if you throw wildly inaccurate statements like the above around?

That's up there with the "£350 million."

I was not being serious.

 

[MarkE]

It's a myth that British people will not do these jobs. British workers who worked the fields before the influx of cheap labour have been undercut. Rich farmers prefer to pay migrant workers below minimum wage. No one believes all the migrant workers toiling on fields are all legal and registered.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It's a myth that British people will not do these jobs. British workers who worked the fields before the influx of cheap labour have been undercut. Rich farmers prefer to pay migrant workers below minimum wage. No one believes all the migrant workers toiling on fields are all legal and registered.

Whose fault is that. Migrant or Employer?

 

[SocketRocket]

Whose fault is that. Migrant or Employer?

Government

 

[MarkE]

Whose fault is that. Migrant or Employer?

The government for letting the situation arise in the first place, then farmers for exploiting cheap labour. Migrants are just taking advantage of what's available (and who would blame them). Blaming it all on work shy Brits is an easy cop out.

 

[SocketRocket]

The government for letting the situation arise in the first place, then farmers for exploiting cheap labour. Migrants are just taking advantage of what's available (and who would blame them). Blaming it all on work shy Brits is an easy cop out.

That's correct and it's exactly what many Brits are doing by living on benefits rather than working.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It's a myth that British people will not do these jobs. British workers who worked the fields before the influx of cheap labour have been undercut. Rich farmers prefer to pay migrant workers below minimum wage. No one believes all the migrant workers toiling on fields are all legal and registered.

Wot...Rich British farmers are to blame for all this Brexit nonsence

 

[ColchesterFC]

Wot...Rich British farmers are to blame for all this Brexit nonsence

Nope, I would blame the sneering politicians and political classes that screamed "racist" whenever someone raised a genuine concern over immigration or the EU. And also those on the Remain side that labelled Leave voters racist, stupid or uneducated. They badly misjudged the strength of feeling in the country.

 

[Hobbit]

Nope, I would blame the sneering politicians and political classes that screamed "racist" whenever someone raised a genuine concern over immigration or the EU. And also those on the Remain side that labelled Leave voters racist, stupid or uneducated. They badly misjudged the strength of feeling in the country.

And you just wouldn't believe how much Jack Straw massaged those figures. 657,000 in one year were moved of the official figures by granting them work visas to "cut the backlog."

 

[harpo_72]

Sorry confused here, some of the previous posts about immigration actually have no bearing on leaving the EU.
Another point, farmers are hard pressed by supermarkets to lower their prices, the EU subsidise the farmers.
So now by leaving we will see the cost of basics rise, because the labour costs will rise (if we have no immigrant workforce - which is highly unlikely to be the case, because leaving has no affect ) with no subsidy offset, unless your talking about scrapping the minimum wage ? Which to be fair was an EU initiative
so once again, how is leaving a changing factor ?

 

[MarkE]

Wot...Rich British farmers are to blame for all this Brexit nonsence

No, but this discussion somehow got round to blaming workshy Brits for the reason we need a cheap unending supply of migrant labour to work the fields. I was just pointing out this is rubbish.

 

[MarkE]

That's correct and it's exactly what many Brits are doing by living on benefits rather than working.

A decade ago I would have wholeheartedly agreed, but it's now much more difficult to get unemployment benefit. If there are jobs working the fields available at the job centre, you take that job or lose your benefit. But there are'nt farm jobs advertised at the job centre because farmers prefer to employ migrants. We all know why.

 

[SocketRocket]

Sorry confused here, some of the previous posts about immigration actually have no bearing on leaving the EU.
Another point, farmers are hard pressed by supermarkets to lower their prices, the EU subsidise the farmers.
So now by leaving we will see the cost of basics rise, because the labour costs will rise (if we have no immigrant workforce - which is highly unlikely to be the case, because leaving has no affect ) with no subsidy offset, unless your talking about scrapping the minimum wage ? Which to be fair was an EU initiative
so once again, how is leaving a changing factor ?

Your post is so full of inaccuracies it's bordering on ridiculous. The introduction of the Minimum Wage by the Labour Government in 1999 was absolutely nothing to do with the EU, how on earth do you come about that little gem

If you think immigration was not a major factor in the vote to leave the EU then you must have been off with the faeries for the last few years.

So the EU subsidies Farmers do they! Where does this subsidy come from then, some big box of gold in Brussels that is self generating? It's paid for by UK tax payers and will continue to be paid for by them.

You suggest that because we leave the EU labour costs will rise, how exactly does that work, if the workers are paid the minimum wage then they will still be paid the minimum wage, there's no difference. You suggest that we will have no immigrant workforce, how exactly do you come to that conclusion? you seem to be struggling with the fact that no one is suggesting we have no immigration, only that we have the ability to control it. Please write out 100 times "No one is suggesting we have no immigration"

So! once again, leaving is a changing factor due to the UK regaining control as an independent country free to manage their lives as they see fit.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

hmmm. The answer - obvious really.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...replace-eu-workers-says-ex-minister-sdg23r8pb

 

[SocketRocket]

hmmm. The answer - obvious really.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...replace-eu-workers-says-ex-minister-sdg23r8pb

How much time did you spend trawling around the net trying to find articles to support your anti-Brexit campaign

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

How much time did you spend trawling around the net trying to find articles to support your anti-Brexit campaign

If you hadn't heard this then you've not been paying attention.

And I am not anti-Brexit. I can't be - because we are Brexitting. But I would like to hear some thought through answers to some pretty basic questions about how Brexit will work - and stupid and random ideas like this one confirm the fear that they don't know we are now in Project Muddle.

 

[Blue in Munich]

hmmm. The answer - obvious really.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...replace-eu-workers-says-ex-minister-sdg23r8pb

Politician say something stupid; whatever next?