SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Now it's Breakfast means Full English! Apparently!
Brexit Two Months On
- Thread starter Doon frae Troon
- Start date
- Status
I seem to remember Boris Johnson telling us before the referendum that Germany, France, Italy, Spain, and the other EU countries would be queuing up to do trade deals with the UK. No mention of a Hard Brexit where we cut ourselves off from Europe altogether!
larmen
Head Pro
I seem to remember a lot of things that people who said it don't seem to remember it.I seem to remember Boris Johnson telling us before the referendum that Germany, France, Italy, Spain, and the other EU countries would be queuing up to do trade deals with the UK. No mention of a Hard Brexit where we cut ourselves off from Europe altogether!
Anyway, in regards to Brexit is Brexit, if the leavers really want to include the retainers in the process then they should be aware that 48% don't want a hard Brexit for sure. Therefore if the leavers weren't 97% for hard Brexit, there isn't a clear mandate for that. Anybody who says the mandate is hard is not speaking for the nation. Where is democracy in that?
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
This hard or Soft Brexit is nonsense. There is Brexit or No Brexit. Accepting Free movement, EU Law and payment to be in the Single Market is not Brexit, it's what we had before but worse as we would have no place at the table. Brexit means Brexit.
Again, that is still not what we were told by the Leave campaign prior to the referendum! They, Boris in particular, claimed that we would still trade with the EU but without free movement of people.
Reading through this post and the one about Scottish idependance as well as what I see daily on facebook between friends.
It it amazes me how often the people who wanted Scottish idependance are told "you had your vote accept it", yet cry foul at brexit.
It it amazes me how often the people who wanted Scottish idependance are told "you had your vote accept it", yet cry foul at brexit.
I am not Scottish, but things have been changed by the Brexit vote. At the time of the Scottish Independence vote, they were told that voting to stay in the UK would allow them to stay in the EU and the single market, whereas there was some doubt that Scotland could meet the requirements for joining the EU as an independent nation. That has all changed now, so I can understand why the SNP is pushing for another referendum on independence.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Who is saying we wont trade with the EU
We won't at all, except with quite high WTO tariffs applied, if we go for a hard Brexit! As a member of the EU (as we still are at the moment) all trade with Europe is tariff and customs free, so far less expense and bureaucratic paperwork.
Last edited:
My point wasn't really about the scots right to a 2nd referendum. More the fact that after the first one (Pre brexit) people told them tough it's democracy accept it. The after the brexit vote, people are crying foul about brexit and wanting things changed in the uk, not Scotland.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
What do you mean 'We wont at all' Of course we will trade, do you think that countries in the EU will not want to sell us their goods and services? When it comes to Tariffs we have a trade deficit with the EU so will receive more in tariffs than we pay out so we will not be worse off overall. Most of the world trade with the EU without problem.
Eh! The tariffs go to the exporter, not the importer!
Foxholer
Blackballed
Er...Wrong - at least as a final result! Tariffs cost the importer, and go to the importer's Government!
So SR is correct about 'UK PLC' receiving more in tariffs than is paid out. In fact, exports don't cost the government anything and the government gets money for any imports - so SR's point/argument about getting more than paying out is realy irrelevant!
However, (in a 'balanced' environment) the consumer in the importing country gets hit for additional (and unnecessary) cost! And the producer is unable to sell as much/many because of the increased cost! That's why 'free trade' is the preferred model!
Last edited:
jp5
Q-School Graduate
Of course that would satisfy the mandate to leave the EU, and it's what people were saying before the referendum - the best deal we could get would be worse than what we had before.
Foxholer
Blackballed
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
The things I listed were the ideal terms for the UK but probably not on offer from the EU, we must be patient and see what transpires. You are missing the point that the UK will be free to negotiate trade deals with other countries, something we cant do now.
How people will consider the new arrangements when they are completed is unknown at this time as they are not agreed yet, when they are they wont satisfy everyone but what does? Many people wanted other things like control over immigration, supremacy of UK Law and extraction from the EU superstate.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Seems so - as the Scottish, NI and Welsh Sec of State aren't part of May's Brexit core team. England it is then.
When did they change that around? The importer pays the tariff. The worry for the exporter is that the weight of tariff will put off the importer so that they buy from another source in a country that has a better agreement or better still no tariff at all.
D
Deleted member 1418
Guest
They don't need to be as the Scottish, Welsh and NI respective Governments are engaging with officials in Whitehall Government Departments on all Brexit matters. For example, on the EU Structural Funds - which accounts for an obscene amount of EU money and matched national contributions, officials from the Devolved Administrations are liaising directly with HMT officials on what funding programmes can be delivered during the exit negotiations; and what any future programmes will look like.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
So we need every man and his dog in the negotiating team do we. That would make it a real dogs breakfast! Do you think all regions are not being consulted, if that was the case the whole thing would be Toast or in a Jam.
Maybe the ministry of funny walks would have an opinion, how about Black Rod and Silver stick in waiting, i'm sure they would have much to offer
Last edited:
- Status
