Brexit Two Months On

[ColchesterFC]

Yes.....sorry about that. If you page down it was the one about 'using' EU citizens in the UK as a bargaining point

So your opinion is that he should allow EU citizens to stay in the UK without getting any kind of guarantee that UK citizens living in the EU will be allowed to stay where they are?

The people of the UK voted to leave the EU without giving British workers in the EU a second thought.

I see that you are continuing with your customary behaviour of refusing to or failing to answer questions that have been asked of you so I'll try again.

Do you think that the government should say that all EU citizens living and working in the UK will be allowed to stay here without getting assurances from the EU that the same will apply to UK citizens living in the EU?

A simple yes or no would be fine.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I would imagine most were too dim to even be aware of the impact their vote would have on the British EU workers and implications on such organisations as the NHS.

Good to see that those that voted Remain are still throwing insults at those that voted Leave. Seems as though to in the eyes of Remain voters you were either racist or stupid if you voted Leave.

 

[SocketRocket]

Indeed, UKIP are in charge.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/10/05/the-tories-have-finally-become-ukip

That article is so biased and vitriolic it beggars belief that any reasonable minded person would give it any credence. That of course rules out many of the Remainers on here.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Good to see that those that voted Remain are still throwing insults at those that voted Leave. Seems as though to in the eyes of Remain voters you were either racist or stupid if you voted Leave.

Not necessarily, I not only voted Remain but was also active in support of the campaign.

However, unlike some I can accept that the result went the other way and, thus, as a nation we must now do all in our power to ensure that Brexit is achieved in a manner beneficial to our country.

I certainly do not think that those who voted Leave, whilst I may disagree with them, are either racist or stupid.

 

[SocketRocket]

I would imagine most were too dim to even be aware of the impact their vote would have on the British EU workers and implications on such organisations as the NHS.

I see Rudd has already backed down on her 'list of foreigners' idea.
I am starting to become seriously embarrassed and a bit scared of our current Westminster political leaders.

Sounds like you are too dim to read or even understand what is actually said rather than the spin coming out of the mouths of bitter losers.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Not necessarily, I not only voted Remain but was also active in support of the campaign.

However, unlike some I can accept that the result went the other way and, thus, as a nation we must now do all in our power to ensure that Brexit is achieved in a manner beneficial to our country.

I certainly do not think that those who voted Leave, whilst I may disagree with them, are either racist or stupid.

Apologies. I should have said "MANY of those that voted Remain" rather than imply it was all of them. Can I be forgiven and blame it on brandy consumption please.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Apologies. I should have said "MANY of those that voted Remain" rather than imply it was all of them. Can I be forgiven and blame it on brandy consumption please.

Just so long as it is a Grande Vieux Armagnac!

 

[ColchesterFC]

Just so long as it is a Grande Vieux Armagnac!

Absolutely. Wouldn't drink anything else. It's definitely not a bottle of Tesco's finest Napoleon brandy aged 3 years mixed with diet coke.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I see that you are continuing with your customary behaviour of refusing to or failing to answer questions that have been asked of you so I'll try again.

Do you think that the government should say that all EU citizens living and working in the UK will be allowed to stay here without getting assurances from the EU that the same will apply to UK citizens living in the EU?

A simple yes or no would be fine.

Yes.
It was The UK who decided to leave the EU.
Some European workers have been working in the UK for many years. They have married and brought up their children in the UK.
Do you think that the UK should just throw them out and split up their families?
A simple yes or no will suffice for an answer.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Absolutely. Wouldn't drink anything else. It's definitely not a bottle of Tesco's finest Napoleon brandy aged 3 years mixed with diet coke.

To each their own!

But why diet ​coke? What's the point?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Yes.
It was The UK who decided to leave the EU.
Some European workers have been working in the UK for many years. They have married and brought up their children in the UK.
Do you think that the UK should just throw them out and split up their families?
A simple yes or no will suffice for an answer.

Has anyone suggested they should be? No, not even Liam Fox.

However, assurances of future rights are required on both sides.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Yes.
It was The UK who decided to leave the EU.
Some European workers have been working in the UK for many years. They have married and brought up their children in the UK.
Do you think that the UK should just throw them out and split up their families?
A simple yes or no will suffice for an answer.

No. And I've never suggested they should. But why should the government just accept that the approx 2.9 million EU citizens living here can stay without seeking similar assurances about the approx 1.2 million UK citizens living in the EU?

 

[ColchesterFC]

To each their own!

But why diet ​coke? What's the point?

Always used to be full fat coke but I prefer the taste now. I swapped to it a few years ago when I was trying to lose a bit of weight and have stuck with it ever since.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So your opinion is that he should allow EU citizens to stay in the UK without getting any kind of guarantee that UK citizens living in the EU will be allowed to stay where they are?

Just on this - there is no reason why would could not if we claim to be a compassionate country - and in control of our own matters. I thought Leaving brought being in control and that means being able to choose to do something independent of whether someone else does or doesn't do something.

And what do we do if the EU countries choose to hoof out all UK citizens - are we going to hoof out all non-UK EU citizens - which would cause all our public services as well as much of the service sector to collapse, of course not. We can very easily guarantee right of residence for all existing non-UK EU residents if we choose - because we know it is the right, proper and decent thing to do - and because we depend upon them.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I see that you are continuing with your customary behaviour of refusing to or failing to answer questions that have been asked of you so I'll try again.

Do you think that the government should say that all EU citizens living and working in the UK will be allowed to stay here without getting assurances from the EU that the same will apply to UK citizens living in the EU?

A simple yes or no would be fine.

Yes

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not necessarily, I not only voted Remain but was also active in support of the campaign.

However, unlike some I can accept that the result went the other way and, thus, as a nation we must now do all in our power to ensure that Brexit is achieved in a manner beneficial to our country.

I certainly do not think that those who voted Leave, whilst I may disagree with them, are either racist or stupid.

...and a lot of the insult throwing is actually coming from the Leave campaign. Though I was and am strongly against leaving - leaving is what's going to happen so we must make the very best of it.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Just on this - there is no reason why would could not if we claim to be a compassionate country - and in control of our own matters. I thought Leaving brought being in control and that means being able to choose to do something independent of whether someone else does or doesn't do something.

And what do we do if the EU countries choose to hoof out all UK citizens - are we going to hoof out all non-UK EU citizens - which would cause all our public services as well as much of the service sector to collapse, of course not. We can very easily guarantee right of residence for all existing non-UK EU residents if we choose - because we know it is the right, proper and decent thing to do - and because we depend upon them.

Idealistic, romantic, gullible or naive. You choose.

And no our public services would not collapse, they are more dependant upon non-EU immigrants.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Idealistic, romantic, gullible or naive. You choose.

And no our public services would not collapse, they are more dependant upon non-EU immigrants.

The immigrants are here - we are not talking about new immigrants. There is therefore no reason for them not to stay and to continue to live and work here as they are currently doing. What impact would their staying cause? And if the basis of leave wasn't an 'ideal' - that of control and sovereignty - I don't really know what it was about. Despite what you assert I do not believe we could possibly expel all EU immigrants without doing huge damage to public services - and the service sector in general.

But in the end it comes down to whether or not the UK government sees the lives and wellbeing of people as a political bargaining chip. I find that rather distasteful at best.

 

[ColchesterFC]

So what happens if we agree to let all EU citizens living here, before an arbitrary date, stay here and then the EU chooses to expel all the UK citizens living in the EU meaning they have to return to the UK? Where exactly are we meant to house more than 1 million people that would be returning to the UK at the same time?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

The immigrants are here - we are not talking about new immigrants. There is therefore no reason for them not to stay and to continue to live and work here as they are currently doing. What impact would their staying cause? And if the basis of leave wasn't an 'ideal' - that of control and sovereignty - I don't really know what it was about. Despite what you assert I do not believe we could possibly expel all EU immigrants without doing huge damage to public services - and the service sector in general.

But in the end it comes down to whether or not the UK government sees the lives and wellbeing of people as a political bargaining chip. I find that rather distasteful at best.

As yet no one has said that these people's futures would be used as a specific bargaining tool.

All Fox has stated that, at this stage, nothing is ruled in or out. The only politicians I have, to date, seen trying to force issues have been the French President and some Germans.

As for the future of public services we can both only speculate.