Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hobbit]

Nobody is badgering him, they're replying to his posts. He posts in a forthright manner that often leads to people questioning it. Yes it's often the same people as there aren't that many that post on this subject matter and others may not be gather the attention SILH does but again that comes down to someone posting opinion as facts, who then doubles back on himself in several ways.

It's an open forum so if people want ti reply and question that is their right, just like it SILH right to put others on ignore if he doesnt wish to be questioned on what is often something he posts as fact or biased.

Its the Armageddon aspect to his posts that lead to very direct responses. That, and in the early days he used to call people thick for voting Leave. Yes, he's dropped the line of Leavers are knuckle draggers, not that I believe he's changed his beliefs in that. For me, he's the Farage of Remain, i.e. an extremist.

I agree with him the Leave will hurt the economy in the early days, and I think Leave isn't the brightest decision for the economy in the short term. But after that no one knows how it will pan out.

As for that right of reply, we all have it and anyone can scroll past any poster, or put them on ignore. But if someone is going to stick their head above the parapet and use a megaphone they're going to get shot at.

 

[Wolf]

I think I’ll wait until all of them happen - going to be waiting a long time I reckon ?

Let me know when it's time and I'll pop by and buy the celebratory beers. We've both got a long wait sadly before this becomes something people are gonna let go.. The devil will likely be wearing a woolly hat that day...

 

[Pin-seeker]

I’m going to celebrate :-

The end of this thread

The constant going around in circles

The lack of empathy towards other people’s situations

The single mindedness

The arrogance

The despair

The vultures

The idea that it’s a game that someone wins and someone loses

The way this whole process has divided people all over the country

Farage going and hopefully gone for good

The attitude to people who voted a different way

The insults

The derogatory comments

You do realize that you could just have stopped clicking on the thread,and stop commenting on the thread,at any time don’t You? ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Let me know when it's time and I'll pop by and buy the celebratory beers. We've both got a long wait sadly before this becomes something people are gonna let go.. The devil will likely be wearing a woolly hat that day...

I think the wait is going to beat us both - may have a little tipple as each one is ticked off

 

[Wolf]

Its the Armageddon aspect to his posts that lead to very direct responses. That, and in the early days he used to call people thick for voting Leave. Yes, he's dropped the line of Leavers are knuckle draggers, not that I believe he's changed his beliefs in that. For me, he's the Farage of Remain, i.e. an extremist.

I agree with him the Leave will hurt the economy in the early days, and I think Leave isn't the brightest decision for the economy in the short term. But after that no one knows how it will pan out.

As for that right of reply, we all have it and anyone can scroll past any poster, or put them on ignore. But if someone is going to stick their head above the parapet and use a megaphone they're going to get shot at.

Absolutely spot on Hobbit agree with every word you've written, I voted remain for many reasons but regardless of my views i can't say what the actual outcome is going to be for me long term let alone any individual in the country. But I won't bemoan leavers for their choice they have their reasons and won the vote so rightly so we're leaving and now we move forward and see where it takes us. Blaming Brexit or others for whatever the outcome is to us individually which is far from known is purely a victim mindset because for some its easier to blame these outside influences at the beginning than to actually realise whether we're in the EU or not its ultimately ourselves that will dictate our future success.

 

[Wolf]

I think the wait is going to beat us both - may have a little tipple as each one is ticked off

Even I'll probably have retired by that point ?
Maybe give it a 50% ticked off and we will have a round of golf and a few wee drams.

 

[IanM]

My final post in this thread. I've always said we won't actually be allowed to leave. Maybe Boris might prove me wrong, I wonder where we'll be actually be in 12 months time?

Final thought, if the EU is about trade, travel, cooperation, r & d, humanity and peace... and all the nice stuff we do with most of the rest of the world anyway.

...why does it need a Parliament, Commissioners, a Judiciary, a currency, a Central Bank, a flag and an anthem?

work it out, for goodness sake, it isn't difficult.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Its the Armageddon aspect to his posts that lead to very direct responses. That, and in the early days he used to call people thick for voting Leave. Yes, he's dropped the line of Leavers are knuckle draggers, not that I believe he's changed his beliefs in that. For me, he's the Farage of Remain, i.e. an extremist.

I agree with him the Leave will hurt the economy in the early days, and I think Leave isn't the brightest decision for the economy in the short term. But after that no one knows how it will pan out.

As for that right of reply, we all have it and anyone can scroll past any poster, or put them on ignore. But if someone is going to stick their head above the parapet and use a megaphone they're going to get shot at.

No poster should feel he’s been abused though, regardless how big the megaphone is.
Disagree, agree, discuss or argue, fine.
Getting personal is wrong and for him to post that he felt he was abused is wrong, regardless of intent.

 

[Mudball]

My final post in this thread. I've always said we won't actually be allowed to leave. Maybe Boris might prove me wrong, I wonder where we'll be actually be in 12 months time?

Final thought, if the EU is about trade, travel, cooperation, r & d, humanity and peace... and all the nice stuff we do with most of the rest of the world anyway.

...why does it need a Parliament, Commissioners, a Judiciary, a currency, a Central Bank, a flag and an anthem?

work it out, for goodness sake, it isn't difficult.

Because it is more than that...

To allow you to trade freely, travel freely there is a common currency. Remember the days when you had to carry different money for different countries and the drawer was full of useless coins from all your travels.

To make that common money happen, you need some common laws made by a parliament that needs a judiciary. You could do without a flag or maybe some other bits of a white elephant. But you need some bits.

But EU is more than that.. I did not fight the war but hear it from those who did

https://twitter.com/x/status/1223175366421946369

 

[chrisd]

Big night tonight !!!

Transfer deadline 11pm ??

 

[IanM]

Dont use travel and trade as an excuse for Federalism.


Ooops I didnt mean to reply

 

[Mudball]

Dont use travel and trade as an excuse for Federalism.


Ooops I didnt mean to reply

True.. Trade is a dirty word when done to you.. but not when you do to others... that was how the British empire was made...

(ps: that 'you' want the royal you rather than pointing at you - i guess you understood that but just in case).... tnx for the reply

 

[drdel]

Over 3 years ago when we were offered a choice I decided that the 2007 world crisis and the way Brussels dealt with it showed serious flaws in their policies. It seemed to me they thought by throwing money at the ECB they could stimulate growth. It is a Ponzi solution and 4 years on they have not made any changes other than thinking more centralisation will bring harmonisation but in reality the massive debt is unsustainable and is an anchor to growth; the disparity between members' economies is too wide: Greece was mistreated and their unemployed youth together with those in Spain and Italy pay the price. The EU thought German growth was unstoppable but it is a one-trick 'manufacturing' pony whose economy was bolstered by the other members getting grants and borrowing to buy German goods and they imagined they could rely on the UK to keep coming to their rescue. They failed to respond the world trade changes and chose protectionism.

The UK's vote to leave was never believed in Brussels and so their tactics were simply to stonewall and play for time in the hope the UK would capitulate. believing their strategy with Greece and Italy would work. Meanwhile Brussels continues to create unsustainable debt and increase its central budget at a rate exceeding members' growth while, at the same time reducing the NATO spend and security coverage.

I thought then and I still believe the Brussels 'core' is totally fixated on more and more centralisation (like the SNP and Independence) while domestically members are suffering next to zero growth. Thus my conclusion then was that if the UK continued to belong to the EU political experiment is would need vast sums from the 'rich' UK because they thought we could be soaked and since we have a currency and Bank to aid to their capacity to borrow and release more QE and artificial growth. With these 'federal' changes as a member the UK would have lost the ability to say 'no' meaning our debt would be driven up with budget and borrowing controlled by the Brussels/ECB etc.

I do not regret my decision but I recognise such change will bring benefits and losses but I'm convinced that for my grandchildren and their peers the UK will enjoy a more stable economy and better quality of life without being dragged down by the blatant and feckless fiscal mismanagement of Brussels.

QED

 

[Deleted member 1418]

I’m going to celebrate :-

The end of this thread

The constant going around in circles

The lack of empathy towards other people’s situations

The single mindedness

The arrogance

The despair

The vultures

The idea that it’s a game that someone wins and someone loses

The way this whole process has divided people all over the country

Farage going and hopefully gone for good

The attitude to people who voted a different way

The insults

The derogatory comments

11 of those points should be posted in the football thread........?

 

[3offTheTee]

OK PM sure there WILL be a dispute over the 2 you have left out.

Can we have a vote please for the 2 or does anybody think 3 or more?

 

[Sweep]

Personally I think we should have put our foot down and insisted that we left at midnight our time, not theirs. Yes, it would have meant we had to stay in one hour longer, but at least all those who committed to dry January could have celebrated with a drink the minute we left . ? ?

 

[SocketRocket]

I’m going to celebrate :-

The end of this thread

The constant going around in circles

The lack of empathy towards other people’s situations

The single mindedness

The arrogance

The despair

The vultures

The idea that it’s a game that someone wins and someone loses

The way this whole process has divided people all over the country

Farage going and hopefully gone for good

The attitude to people who voted a different way

The insults

The derogatory comments

I hope you are including yourself in your condemnations as you fit into them as much as anyone else on this thread.

 

[SocketRocket]

Because it is more than that...

To allow you to trade freely, travel freely there is a common currency. Remember the days when you had to carry different money for different countries and the drawer was full of useless coins from all your travels.

To make that common money happen, you need some common laws made by a parliament that needs a judiciary. You could do without a flag or maybe some other bits of a white elephant. But you need some bits.

But EU is more than that.. I did not fight the war but hear it from those who did

https://twitter.com/x/status/1223175366421946369

Without wanting to belittle these people the video seems to miss the point. We are not leaving Europe, we are not saying goodbye to the people that live there, their culture, their countries, we are not walking away from them. We are changing our trading arrangements and leaving an organisation that has decided to move in a direction that no longer suits our membership. Farewell EU, 'Europe' we are still very much your friends and neighbours.

Peace, Prosperity and Friendship with all Nations.

 

[spongebob59]

 

[SocketRocket]

Fog in the Channel. Europe isolated.