Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Old Skier]

OK - why would I make this up...do you wish me to post a scan of all the rejections he has had...do you want to ask him...no don't - he is a very very p'd off 62 yr old at the moment. BTW - he tells me that China is a dreadful place to teach English...and yes there are jobs out there - but China was not in his career plan.

Does the evidence of Brexit impacting ordinary folks negatively - evev before we have left - not fit with the agenda?

As there is no real evidence yet as nobody knows what the overall impact is I will suggest you stop making it up.

 

[Wolf]

OK - I have explained about my BiL - but if I must.

He has built up significant experience and qualifications working overseas teaching English as a Foreign language in far east countries mainly - and has reached a fairly senior position in the 'schools' he has been working in. He is now 62.

His long term working strategy was to take that experience and his job history and move to the EU for his late working life, better paid so build up a retirement fund, and then for retirement. Unfortunately Brexit has meant that EU language schools no longer seem to be interested in hiring British teachers. They seem to be able to get all the teachers and Directors of Study (his level) they need from Ireland and elsewhere in the EU - they appear to have decided that they do not need to have the hassle and bureaucracy associated with employing a British teacher now that the UK is out of the EU.

And it is as simple as that.

Absolute twaddle..

EU countries will still employ English teachers provided they meet the criteria of the person they're seeking

to employ as with non EU countries. My friends daughter for one as an example just been employed this month in Germany as an English speaking teacher. Plus you say his long term plan but he's 62 years old, thats not a long term plan for retirement thats looking for short term gain nothing wrong with that at all, but in that 3 years he has left he would still need apply, interview and go through all the processes first and there is never a guarantee anyone is going to get a job. Which if he was hoping to do all that in 3 short years when a school maybe looking for something more long term than that for investment in an overseas worker then he should have sorted his long term plans a lot longer ago.

 

[Dando]

...and as I also mentioned my son - I'll just explain how Brexit has impacted him.

His work is in event and venue management for touring bands and artists - he gets work by getting assigned to tours - no work, no pay.

Many bands and artists are now not including the UK in their tour plans due to potential issues - specifically in respect of work permits; merchandising sales; border checks and associated additional costs (in a low margin industry). What this means to my son is that he is already looking at a reduction in the work coming his way due reduced numbers of bands touring - hopefully he is becoming sufficiently established in the UK business that he'll be in demand - but he has no control over that whatsoever.

He saw this coming immediately following the referendum as he himself was in a touring band - and he saw the potential issues with touring in the EU27 - where most of the interest in his music lies. So he jacked that in - and only does it on-line now - and moved his focus to supporting touring bands and other acts. And of course as mentioned...he keeps his fingers crossed.

Simple really.

what a crock of shite!
Most bands are touring the uk.
Maybe your son needs to work in a different industry but you’ll no doubt find a way to blame brexit for something

 

[Wolf]

...and as I also mentioned my son - I'll just explain how Brexit has impacted him.

His work is in event and venue management for touring bands and artists - he gets work by getting assigned to tours - no work, no pay.

Many bands and artists are now not including the UK in their tour plans due to potential issues - specifically in respect of work permits; merchandising sales; border checks and associated additional costs (in a low margin industry). What this means to my son is that he is already looking at a reduction in the work coming his way due reduced numbers of bands touring - hopefully he is becoming sufficiently established in the UK business that he'll be in demand - but he has no control over that whatsoever.

He saw this coming immediately following the referendum as he himself was in a touring band - and he saw the potential issues with touring in the EU27 - where most of the interest in his music lies. So he jacked that in - and only does it on-line now - and moved his focus to supporting touring bands and other acts. And of course as mentioned...he keeps his fingers crossed.

Simple really.

Further twaddle... So your son knew more about the impact of leaving the EU in 2016 than any economist, politician or anyone else for that matter. Bands will not stop coming to the UK considering we are in top 3 highest global consumers of music.

Nobody could or can still predict the outcome of brexits impact on the individual , yet your son could and knew this nearly 4 years ago but chose to carry on working in and industry that supposedly shut down in him overnight. Im sorry SILH but your either being very gullible in what you believe or simply as Old Skier put it, making it up.

 

[Old Skier]

Absolute twaddle..

EU countries will still employ English teachers provided they meet the criteria of the person they're seeking to employ as with non EU countries. My friends daughter for one as an example just been employed this month in Germany as an English speaking teacher. Plus you say his long term plan but he's 62 years old, thats not a long term plan for retirement thats looking for short term gain nothing wrong with that at all, but in that 3 years he has left he would still need apply, interview and go through all the processes first and there is never a guarantee anyone is going to get a job. Which if he was hoping to do all that in 3 short years when a school maybe looking for something more long term than that for investment in an overseas worker then he should have sorted his long term plans a lot longer ago.

Nah, come on, the EU only employs EU nationals, didn't you know.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I simply point out the experience of two people I know - both who have significant experience in the sectors they work in - and I am rubbished and abused. I simply convey their experiences as described to me, honestly and without embellishment. OK - they may both be wrong - and they may be misunderstanding what they are actually experiencing. I am simply telling of their experiences.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Further twaddle... So your son knew more about the impact of leaving the EU in 2016 than any economist, politician or anyone else for that matter. Bands will not stop coming to the UK considering we are in top 3 highest global consumers of music.

Nobody could or can still predict the outcome of brexits impact on the individual , yet your son could and knew this nearly 4 years ago but chose to carry on working in and industry that supposedly shut down in him overnight. Im sorry SILH but your either being very gullible in what you believe or simply as Old Skier put it, making it up.

He gave up touring as he was not making much money and his experience of border controls (that didn't exist) into Switzerland convinced him that whatever was going to happen - it wasn't going to get any easier - and the little he was making might well just vanish - and so he got out of touring. He looked ahead and decided that he'd get into something else in the same sector sooner rather than later - where he is today. And if that is impacted - he knows what he'll next move into...but that does not mean he has not been affected.

 

[Wolf]

Further twaddle... So your son knew more about the impact of leaving the EU in 2016 than any economist, politician or anyone else for that matter. Bands will not stop coming to the UK considering we are in top 3 highest global consumers of music.

Nobody could or can still predict the outcome of brexits impact on the individual , yet your son could and knew this nearly 4 years ago but chose to carry on working in and industry that supposedly shut down in him overnight. Im sorry SILH but your either being very gullible in what you believe or simply as Old Skier put it, making it up.

Sorry yep forgot everyone doesn't need us except in war times.. At least that's mentality of some posters?

 

[Old Skier]

I simply point out the experience of two people I know - both who have significant experience in the sectors they work in - and I am rubbished and abused. I simply convey their experiences as described to me, honestly and without embellishment. OK - they may both be wrong - and they may be misunderstanding what they are actually experiencing. I am simply telling of their experiences.

Where's the abuse. Nobody on here has abused you just failed to believe your "hairdresser comments". You cannot provide any facts or evidence as no negotiations on how things will work here or in the EU has been established.

If you think disbelief is abuse then your best bet would not be to comment untill the actual facts are released.

 

[bobmac]

What was the question again?

 

[Old Skier]

What was the question again?

How many eggs make 10

 

[Wolf]

I simply point out the experience of two people I know - both who have significant experience in the sectors they work in - and I am rubbished and abused. I simply convey their experiences as described to me, honestly and without embellishment. OK - they may both be wrong - and they may be misunderstanding what they are actually experiencing. I am simply telling of their experiences.

Nobody is abusing you stop being so melodramatic. People are questioning your posts because they make no factual sense basee on immigration law, employment laws or the fact nobody even those holding the negotiations can tell us individual impact until negotiations are complete and we've been living post Brexit for a number of years. You may not be embellishing their plight but they seem to be because both examples don't add up because in both cases those jobs are still readily available, in one case an industry that grows year on year and the other someone nearing retirement that doesn't seem to have actually thought it through properly of how long it would take to get a job abroad as an EU member let alone non EU.

He gave up touring as he was not making much money and his experience of border controls (that didn't exist) into Switzerland convinced him that whatever was going to happen - it wasn't going to get any easier - and the little he was making might well just vanish - and so he got out of touring. He looked ahead and decided that he'd get into something else in the same sector sooner rather than later - where he is today. And if that is impacted - he knows what he'll next move into...but that does not mean he has not been affected.

And that proves the point he wasn't making much money that has nothing to do with the EU or Brexit it is the nature of his business many musicians go a lifetime earning a pittance because not everyone makes it, and he didn't like border control so he gave up. Im sorry but he can't have loved it that much if the thought of having to show his passport put him off. Nobody knows how it will be impacted and you've time and again posted the government or Brexit cost your son his income, but facts again point to him working in a competitive industry that he has given up on rather than persuing it.


None of this as i said before is personal or abusive its merely questions to exactly what you have posted and a somewhat woe is us attitude of those points when nobody has any clue on what Brexit holds for us.

Im pleased he now has current work for the foreseeable and hopefully will ease his and your burdens financially.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What was the question again?

Is it a black dress or a blue dress ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

He may not be being “abused” but it’s the same posters time and time again badgering him for explanations or further information and questioning his posts.

If he bothers you so much, put him on ignore.

No other poster gets the attention/replies like silh.

 

[Dando]

How many eggs make 10

are they EU eggs?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1223197450003013639

Good ol Glasgow's barometer, finger on the pulse as usual.

 

[Slab]

Don't make it up. What hassle and bureaucracy is associated with employing a British teacher, nothing has been decided or do you have inside information on this years discussion. You seem to be making things up just to suit your negative views.

PS: China has no problem employing British teachers to teach English and it's well payed.

Am I missing something? leaving aside if Hogan has a valid point or not re his BiL, surely the answer isn't to suggest since 'its not been decided' he shouldn't be concerned/ or is making stuff up

Working overseas (outside EU) i know for a fact that there mucho extra hassle and bureaucracy that would not exist if i had simply moved from Uk to France to work, why would you be thinking that just because its not been decided yet that the UKs exit from that shared employment market will result in no change re amount of hassle

On balance I think its pretty safe to assume there will be an increase in the hassle/bureaucracy compared to the past (otherwise the people of the UK would continue to get the benefits of being in the EU shared employment market without paying 350billion a month membership) the thing that hasn't been decided yet is how much extra hassle there will be

 

[Old Skier]

Am I missing something? leaving aside if Hogan has a valid point or not re his BiL, surely the answer isn't to suggest since 'its not been decided' he shouldn't be concerned/ or is making stuff up

Working overseas (outside EU) i know for a fact that there mucho extra hassle and bureaucracy that would not exist if i had simply moved from Uk to France to work, why would you be thinking that just because its not been decided yet that the UKs exit from that shared employment market will result in no change re amount of hassle

On balance I think its pretty safe to assume there will be an increase in the hassle/bureaucracy compared to the past (otherwise the people of the UK would continue to get the benefits of being in the EU shared employment market without paying 350billion a month membership) the thing that hasn't been decided yet is how much extra hassle there will be

Not suggesting the won't be any hassle, equally I'm not suggesting that there will be hassle. Nobody knows what agreements will or won't be made.

 

[Slab]

...and as I also mentioned my son - I'll just explain how Brexit has impacted him.

His work is in event and venue management for touring bands and artists - he gets work by getting assigned to tours - no work, no pay.

Many bands and artists are now not including the UK in their tour plans due to potential issues - specifically in respect of work permits; merchandising sales; border checks and associated additional costs (in a low margin industry). What this means to my son is that he is already looking at a reduction in the work coming his way due reduced numbers of bands touring - hopefully he is becoming sufficiently established in the UK business that he'll be in demand - but he has no control over that whatsoever.

He saw this coming immediately following the referendum as he himself was in a touring band - and he saw the potential issues with touring in the EU27 - where most of the interest in his music lies. So he jacked that in - and only does it on-line now - and moved his focus to supporting touring bands and other acts. And of course as mentioned...he keeps his fingers crossed.

Simple really.

I think the impact from this scenario is mighty thin compared to your BiL
He may have seen a change in the trend but it would be very difficult (or actually its all too easy) just to say that's brexit for you. I suspect the touring plans of bands are dependent on far more than the UK being part of the EU

 

[Slab]

Not suggesting the won't be any hassle, equally I'm not suggesting that there will be hassle. Nobody knows what agreements will or won't be made.

sure... but you do know there will be more hassle don't you