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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Leo Varadkar... “The UK is only one country. And we have a population and a market of 450 million people. The UK, it’s about 60 (million). So if these were two teams up against each other playing football, who do you think has the stronger team?”

I've read some silly stuff but this must be one of his more stupid.
 
drdel said:
Leo Varadkar... “The UK is only one country. And we have a population and a market of 450 million people. The UK, it’s about 60 (million). So if these were two teams up against each other playing football, who do you think has the stronger team?”

I've read some silly stuff but this must be one of his more stupid.
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Why's it stupid? politicians use metaphors all the time to make a point understandable. Johnson all the time - oven baked deals etc.
He he did end it with 'as long as we stay united'. His job is to protect Ireland's position, they're the EU country most impacted by Brexit, of course Brexiteers wont like anything that paints brexit in a bad light but it is most likely true, precedent has been set already shown by Johnson's welch BRINO and feeble deal (little different to Mays deal) that they (EU) are in stronger position for any trade deal and UK will not get all it wants.
#truthhurts
 
maxfli65 said:
Why's it stupid? politicians use metaphors all the time to make a point understandable. Johnson all the time - oven baked deals etc.
He he did end it with 'as long as we stay united'. His job is to protect Ireland's position, they're the EU country most impacted by Brexit, of course Brexiteers wont like anything that paints brexit in a bad light but it is most likely true, precedent has been set already shown by Johnson's welch BRINO and feeble deal (little different to Mays deal) that they (EU) are in stronger position for any trade deal and UK will not get all it wants.
#truthhurts
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Varadkar's analogy is daft because the future discussions are about 'trade and services' most other stuff is within the WA. The negotiating 'power' is based on economic leverage e.g. UK is within the G7 whereas most of the 27 members are not. France, Germany and Italy are in the G7 but their economies are seriously strained.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
“That is why, as we leave the EU, I want to send a message that the UK is open to the most talented minds in the world and stands ready to support them to turn their ideas into reality.”

So says our PM. But I am a little confused as to who this message is aimed at. Is it meant to reassure Remoaners that the government is not going to clamp down on skilled immigrants and is not going close the UK to such immigration? Am I suppose to cheer? Or is it supposed to make Leavers feel good about us leaving? Or both?

Except what's new? The annual cap of 2000 that was previously in place is now removed - and that is ostensibly great - but in any case it was UK's decision toe impose the cap...not the EU's.

Anyway - I guess this does mean that we'll be able to accept as many highly skilled scientists etc who want to comer here - and will be coming every year after Friday. But I'm not so sure if the cap was never being reached in any case. But maybe - and it sounds good...and a real positive from leaving the EU - except it isn't.

I suppose we'll hear quite a lot of stuff like this over the coming months - telling us of stuff we will be doing now that we are out of the EU - much of which we'd have been able to do in any case but we chose not to. Or like this - we remove a restriction that the UK impose unilaterally. Pity we never really had control of our borders...

Looking forward to Saturday.
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More rubbish.

Here’s a thought. The U.K. will be able to accept highly skilled people from around the world, not just the EU. But as we don’t know the detail yet by all means continue with your twisted bias.

As for the cap, remind me of the cap imposed on most of the Eastern European countries, by 99% of the EU, when they joined.... you know, the cap that Blair didn’t impose.

All per usual you’re spouting absolute crap, and selling it as fact. C’mon, prove what you’ve said is fact. C’mon back it up or go away in sharp jerky movements.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
“That is why, as we leave the EU, I want to send a message that the UK is open to the most talented minds in the world and stands ready to support them to turn their ideas into reality.”

So says our PM. But I am a little confused as to who this message is aimed at. Is it meant to reassure Remoaners that the government is not going to clamp down on skilled immigrants and is not going close the UK to such immigration? Am I suppose to cheer? Or is it supposed to make Leavers feel good about us leaving? Or both?

Except what's new? The annual cap of 2000 that was previously in place is now removed - and that is ostensibly great - but in any case it was UK's decision toe impose the cap...not the EU's.

Anyway - I guess this does mean that we'll be able to accept as many highly skilled scientists etc who want to comer here - and will be coming every year after Friday. But I'm not so sure if the cap was never being reached in any case. But maybe - and it sounds good...and a real positive from leaving the EU - except it isn't.

I suppose we'll hear quite a lot of stuff like this over the coming months - telling us of stuff we will be doing now that we are out of the EU - much of which we'd have been able to do in any case but we chose not to. Or like this - we remove a restriction that the UK impose unilaterally. Pity we never really had control of our borders...

Looking forward to Saturday.
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Balderdash. You know that the idea is to attract the immigrants we need and not an open door to anyone. The immigrants we need will be a finite number as we dont have jobs for an infinitive amount ?
 
The Varadker interview is hugely disappointing. Did he not learn from the previous negotiations that macho posturing and points scoring cause way more problems than they solve. He should shut up, let the grown ups talk and do any dealings behind closed doors. The best deal will be one that benefits all parties, not just one side. He has clearly been watching too many episodes of The Apprentice.
 
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More rubbish.

Here’s a thought. The U.K. will be able to accept highly skilled people from around the world, not just the EU. But as we don’t know the detail yet by all means continue with your twisted bias.

As for the cap, remind me of the cap imposed on most of the Eastern European countries, by 99% of the EU, when they joined.... you know, the cap that Blair didn’t impose.

All per usual you’re spouting absolute crap, and selling it as fact. C’mon, prove what you’ve said is fact. C’mon back it up or go away in sharp jerky movements.
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I may well have got it wrong but the statement by Johnson implies that the UK could not previously accept unlimited numbers of skilled immigrants from around the world - and as he says 'as we leave the EU' - is he not implying that somehow there was some restriction imposed by the EU. And even if he wasn't, surely the cap was simply one that was imposed by the UK unilaterally - and as I understand it reading and listening to different commentators (e.g. Simon Jenkins in the Times) - the limit of 2000 has never been reached in any case.

I am not suggesting at all that what Johnson says is false. I'm just wondering what constituency - Leave or Remain - he is addressing...maybe both - by telling us that once we leave the EU we will be allowing ourselves to do something that we've always been able to do - if we had allowed ourselves.

If I am wrong then what is it that is changing from what we could do now.
 
Ah. My understanding improves - I now understand that the current requirement for the 'brightest and the best' to come to the UK was that they had to have £50k - sufficient to be able to set up a business. The numbers that could be admitted under this policy was capped at 2000. In the last year 600 came into the UK under that scheme. Now it may be that the government is going to remove the financial requirement as well as the cap...I don't know.

Separately it seems that there are going to be different salary requirements for some sectors and tiers of skilled migrants - £30k for some, £25k for others, and a visa will be invalid if an immigrant changes work or reduces hours and moves from a £30k/annum job to a lower paid one for which the £25k/annum limit does not apply. That'll be fun to manage. Ah well. What happens if a mum-to-be comes to UK on a £30k/annum permit - but following birth of child goes part-time...and so her income drops to less than £30k. I guess that that will all be managed somehow. That said - the reduction from £30k to £25k is sensible in the context of the NHS - government just has to accept the proposal.
 
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Mudball said:
Oh dear.. I thought one of the Brexit pillar was to stop low paid migrants from swamping our public services. Glad to see we are now reducing salary requirement for migrating. Both leavers and remainers can rejoice

Migrant salary threshold fall 'would boost public sector' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51278298
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another Nail in the BBC's coffin then...:LOL:
 
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