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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Hobbit said:
Did you hug the guys in passport control? Sorry, just being a little flippant. How do you feel when you land in the US(?) or Thailand(?)? I agree its disappointing but I'm not going to beat my chest or tear my clothes over it. Life goes on.
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Yes, that's right. After all the countries are still there and we will still be able to visit them, its just a change in trading arrangements and I'm sure most of us will survive it.
 
SocketRocket said:
.......... or maybe Asparagus. I get a bit confused with all this foreign stuff ?
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For the last 3 years, I've grown a fairly rare variety of cucumber from seed from a specialist supplier. You have to join "the club" (1p) as otherwise the seed cannot be sold due to EU regs. I can guarantee that at least 90% of you have never tasted cucumber like this. Yes - it has a taste, it's so juicy it makes your mouth salivate, and it's straight:eek:

Stuff the foreign muck. Buy and grow British (y)
 
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Hacker Khan said:
As someone who does a far bit of travelling for work just entered an EU country as a fellow EU citizen for the last time. I know some see this all as an exciting opportunity, I just felt a little sad to be honest.
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I can empathise..

I am there next week, so will barge in, hug them and say ‘it’s us again’
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I see BJ's advisors have picked up on my idea of moving Parliament to t' north.
I still think Preston is a better option than York.
York is very difficult for the NI/Welsh folk to access
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York has a major train station, it is a hub and has great connections for all of the main lines. As MP's or Lords would be coming from all over then having good train links makes a great deal of sense. Preston is not as well connected and that matters. If you were going to choose somewhere on the West side then somewhere like Crewe would be the equivalent. I suspect York is also better set up in terms of hotels, accomodation, office space etc so the extra required would be less than somewhere like Preston where realistically you are starting from scratch.

Every option is going to be awkward for someone, that is inevitable when you are picking one spot in a country.

I would be amazed if they genuinely set up shop somewhere north. Govt, civil servants etc are so entrenched in London that to move so many people north will cost a fortune in terms of relocation, travel etc. I like the idea of moving departments over time. That is manageable.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
York has a major train station, it is a hub and has great connections for all of the main lines. As MP's or Lords would be coming from all over then having good train links makes a great deal of sense. Preston is not as well connected and that matters. If you were going to choose somewhere on the West side then somewhere like Crewe would be the equivalent. I suspect York is also better set up in terms of hotels, accomodation, office space etc so the extra required would be less than somewhere like Preston where realistically you are starting from scratch.

Every option is going to be awkward for someone, that is inevitable when you are picking one spot in a country.

I would be amazed if they genuinely set up shop somewhere north. Govt, civil servants etc are so entrenched in London that to move so many people north will cost a fortune in terms of relocation, travel etc. I like the idea of moving departments over time. That is manageable.
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I like the idea. Given that politics is a circus these day, this will line up well with an idea of a travelling circus. Just like they have 'European Capital of Culture', we should have a similar 'UK Capital of Capitals' wherein cities should bid to be the Capital of UK. It can go from York, to Leeds, to Aberdeen, to Newport to Bristol, to Grimsby and on and on.. Will help the local economy and train connectivity and boost the country.

I know we all cried foul over the EU capital moving every few months ... but remember, now it is our parliament and we make the rules.. All raise a toast to Ye Old Britannica
 
Mudball said:
I like the idea. Given that politics is a circus these day, this will line up well with an idea of a travelling circus. Just like they have 'European Capital of Culture', we should have a similar 'UK Capital of Capitals' wherein cities should bid to be the Capital of UK. It can go from York, to Leeds, to Aberdeen, to Newport to Bristol, to Grimsby and on and on.. Will help the local economy and train connectivity and boost the country.

I know we all cried foul over the EU capital moving every few months ... but remember, now it is our parliament and we make the rules.. All raise a toast to Ye Old Britannica
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A quick Google suggests the move between Brussels and Strasbourg costs around €114m per year, call it a straight £100m. I'm happy for parliament to move to the midlands or to the north of England on a permanent basis but to move on a regular basis would be too much of a waste of money for me. That money could go to much better use.

I like your concept, move the money around and boost each city, but I just see too much waste.
 
Ooops - Steven Mnuchin tells UK some truths about deals - and tariffs...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nuchin-brexit-trade-deal-macron-a9294661.html

And what did Johnson pledge on US Tech Giants prior to the election

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50656106

tricky circle to square...

But who knows - that's only Steve Mnuchin speaking and he's not doing the trade deal...he's only the US Secretary to the Treasury - a bit like the Chancellor of the Exchequer I guess...oooh :(

Besides, if exports of Jags, Land Rovers and Discoveries to the US were subject to high tariffs - we'd do the same for imports of US cars to the UK - a quid pro quo...not sure though that the impact on US car manufacturers would be quite the same as that on Midlands car workers.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Ooops - Steven Mnuchin tells UK some truths about deals - and tariffs...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nuchin-brexit-trade-deal-macron-a9294661.html

And what did Johnson pledge on US Tech Giants prior to the election

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50656106

tricky circle to square...

But who knows - that's only Steve Mnuchin speaking and he's not doing the trade deal...he's only the US Secretary to the Treasury - a bit like the Chancellor of the Exchequer I guess...oooh :(

Besides, if exports of Jags, Land Rovers and Discoveries to the US were subject to high tariffs - we'd do the same for imports of US cars to the UK - a quid pro quo...not sure though that the impact on US car manufacturers would be quite the same as that on Midlands car workers.
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Not saying you're right or wrong but don't you think it a little ironic that you're posting up a statement from an appointee made by Trump, who you so have every faith in, and calling it the "truth?" Doesn't it make you question your motive?
 
Hobbit said:
Not saying you're right or wrong but don't you think it a little ironic that you're posting up a statement from an appointee made by Trump, who you so have every faith in, and calling it the "truth?" Doesn't it make you question your motive?
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Indeed - though Mnuchin is a 'true Trumper' - and of course - as I also mentioned - as he is not Trump maybe his words don't actually count for anything. He's only Secretary to the Treasury after all - with defined responsibilities being...

The Secretary of the Treasury is the principal economic advisor to the President and plays a critical role in policy-making by bringing an economic and government financial policy perspective to issues facing the government. The Secretary is responsible for formulating and recommending domestic and international financial, economic, and tax policy, participating in the formulation of broad fiscal policies that have general significance for the economy, and managing the public debt.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Indeed - though Mnuchin is a 'true Trumper' - and of course - as I also mentioned - as he is not Trump maybe his words don't actually count for anything. He's only Secretary to the Treasury after all - with defined responsibilities being...

The Secretary of the Treasury is the principal economic advisor to the President and plays a critical role in policy-making by bringing an economic and government financial policy perspective to issues facing the government. The Secretary is responsible for formulating and recommending domestic and international financial, economic, and tax policy, participating in the formulation of broad fiscal policies that have general significance for the economy, and managing the public debt.
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And....

I know its difficult to step away from reading between the lines in whatever we ourselves post, after all we know exactly how we mean our posts to be understood, but just ponder. Step outside your fundamental beliefs on this just think on this. You've passionately attacked Trump and his lackeys for the lies, deceit, spin and bullying on countless occasions yet in this instance you use Munchin's position as Secretary of the Treasury to support your argument on the trade deal the US will offer the UK.

I agree with the italicised part of your post, no doubt its a quote anyway, but I find it a bit odd that you put any faith/belief/credit in what a Trump lackey says when you've decried them to the heavens in the past.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, as there's lots of water to pass under the bridge before the actual terms of any deal are formalised but, respectfully, don't you think it makes you look a little foolish to be putting some store in someone who is in a 'camp' you abhor?

BTW, I don't expect a great trade deal with the US but I doubt Munchin's words, long before the real talks begin, actually mean a great deal.
 
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