Fade and Die
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Why do you spout garbage all the time? FTSE at record high and pound at a 12 month high.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Why do you spout garbage all the time? FTSE at record high and pound at a 12 month high.
Fade and Die
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That and the overwhelming support of the majority of the nation! (You are having a shocker this morning ?)
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ger147
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If we are 5, 6 or 7 weeks away then we find a way to do it in 4. We could walk away without a deal or we could change the legislation.
All are possible outcomes to your what if scenario on your selected arbitrary date.
Legislation can be changed but it is a statement of intent from Boris IMO, a very clear signal to the EU that he wants the deal done by Dec 2020, his response to Barnier who has already stated publically that it is not possible to do the deal by the end of 2020.
Unmoveable legislation, just like the Fixed Term Parliament Act 
. It is showboating, a negotiating stance, but is moveable if required. No need to get het up about it.
. It is showboating, a negotiating stance, but is moveable if required. No need to get het up about it.
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Try looking back on my stance since this thread started, my biggest fear has been crashing out on a No Deal Brexit since day one, but don’t let that stop you from trying to look clever.Or....he's smart enough to set some form of deadline which will benefit his negotiating position, which he can then change again later down the line should he need to.
Btw, I'm loving the use of the phrase "crash out" which has become trendy again since this mornings news
Are we still paying the EU shed loads of money while in the transition period? This could be why the EU think it's not possible to do a deal by 12/2020
SwingsitlikeHogan
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indeed - and the joys of being able to take the plaudits for all successes and the brickbats for all failures.
ColchesterFC
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Could that be the point where GATT Article 24 (????) comes in to play? I seem to remember posts about needing to have an outline of an agreement in place to be able to use it. If we're that close to a deal maybe that could be an option whereby we will still have left but will continue trading as we do now until the deal gets signed off.
Beezerk
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Try looking back on my stance since this thread started, my biggest fear has been crashing out on a No Deal Brexit since day one, but don’t let that stop you from trying to look clever.
Stop biting and chill mate, I wasn't having a go, I heard "crashing out" three times on the radio this morning that's all, and I found it funny that you said it as well
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Then he needs to start acting Statesman like than playing games, it’s ok showboating and claiming this can be moved or that can be done etc, but at what cost and how close to deadlines would he need to do it.Unmoveable legislation, just like the Fixed Term Parliament Act
How much money do we waste again on a No Deal Brexit so boris can showboat.
I really do want him to get the best deal he can, but his track record on dates and keeping his word isn’t exactly proof, he’s playing with peoples livelihoods.
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It not simples if it crashes the economy, why do we believe the EU will dance to our tune?
Maybe it’s time to stop playing games!
SwingsitlikeHogan
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That is indeed the notorious paragraph 5c - that Johnson may now have read, but will certainly have had explained to him. See below for what Johnson previous had not had the time to read and understand...note that any plan and schedule is subject to scrutiny, modification and possible rejection by the WTO contracting parties
(c) any interim agreement referred to in subparagraphs (a) and (b) shall include a plan and schedule for the formation of such a customs union or of such a free-trade area within a reasonable length of time.
robinthehood
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Just terrible as opposed to absolutely terrible.
Sweet.
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The pound has been going down for decades, look at the very long term trends.
ColchesterFC
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If I'm reading that right it means that as long as we're negotiating a free trade area and can get it done in a few weeks we can use GATT until the deal is signed off but we will still have left. That would seem to satisfy Boris's claim that we will definitely leave by the end of 2020 but leave a bit of wiggle room to get the deal over the line. If we haven't got the broad outline of an agreement in place by the end of 2020 then the chances of actually getting a deal seem slim so we'd leave with no deal and negotiate from there.
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No, I won’t stop worrying until the No Deal scenario has been removed 100%, the fear for some of us is very real.He's making it law that it must be sorted by Dec 31st next year. Stop worrying.
I’m more than happy to be told “we told you so” further down the line, but right now it’s my worst case.
ColchesterFC
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No Deal needs to be kept as an option if we are to get a reasonable deal from the EU. Otherwise what incentive do they have to negotiate? How long would you be prepared for negotiations to go on?2 years? 5 years? 10 years? For every month that they string out the negotiations we are still paying £1 billion (approx) to the EU. Where is their incentive to reach a deal if we say that we will keep negotiating for as long as they like and won't leave without a deal?
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Slight over reaction IMHO and your not taking into account the position of the EU and UK. My best comment would be worry about No Deal if it happens and not before. If no deal happens than we and the EU have loads to worry about, so they will work it out and both will have to give, its just a matter of how much on each side.
If you are dealing with the only supplier on this planet for X, how are you going to get a good deal with them. Do you say 'Charge me us much as you like, tell me all the conditions and I will pay for it', ie. I don't want the best deal. Nope I would not recommend that route
The best deal has lots of elements, not just access, it has conditions, it has products/services, it has how much you are going to pay for access and trade offs etc. So lots of negotiating. A No deal is one stick that can be used to get a better deal.
If you think removing No deal for the table, is a good policy, it would be self destruction. If you believe that then sadly there is nothing anyone on this planet can tell you, that will keep you happy, apart from you better get your wallet out and get paying loads of money to the EU and rolling over to be hammered or maybe you should just stay within the EU, as you would be better off
I think this is where our views differ. I see fixing the deadline as a positive, and a way of stopping the games.
He's been in office for less than a week without his hands being tied, and personally, I think he's making all the right noises.
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