Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Foxholer]

So the conclusion is...

If you voted remain you must be on the Left of the political spectrum, and, of course, if you voted to leave you must be to the Right. Therein lies the misconception !

Might be yours, but certainly not mine! Though I do (with no evidence) suspect that there's likely to be a SLIGHT correlation.

 

[IanM]

Possibly some truth increasingly, but historically it was very different

 

[SocketRocket]

Don't know how you draw that conclusion from what anyone has said.

Both Johnson and Farage seem pretty clearly to be politically right of centre and voters from traditionally across the political spectrum believed them and in them.

Now it's as if we have the Leave team Manager saying that the team's tactics in the game should be X, and the team Skipper is saying they should be Y. Meanwhile the team only wants to win, but if they keep getting confusing and contradictory messages from the Manager and the Skipper then they get confused and angry - and at some point one is dumped - usually quite unceremoniously or with effusive platitudes about a job well done. Well I think I know the one currently being dumped. Pity many of the team love their skipper and believe in him more than their manager, and it is the skipper who is being dumped...Not sure that these things always end well.

Yes, Tom Watson could confirm that's correct.

 

[drdel]

Might be yours, but certainly not mine! Though I do (with no evidence) suspect that there's likely to be a SLIGHT correlation.

You misread - or I wasn't clear with my somewhat tongue in cheek comment to SILH.

I can't see what there is to disagree with - I was suggesting from the general/common stance in comments that Remain = Left and Leave = Right. but my last qualifying sentence said IMO that is a misconception !!

 

[ColchesterFC]

Farage screwing people over again? Who would have thought it...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1194164661429719040

BBC are reporting that a lot of the profiles on Twitter that are claiming to be candidates owed money by Farage/Brexit Party are fake/satirical.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Yes, Tom Watson could confirm that's correct.

What has anything about Tom Watson got to do with Farage and Johnson...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You misread - or I wasn't clear with my somewhat tongue in cheek comment to SILH.

I can't see what there is to disagree with - I was suggesting from the general/common stance in comments that Remain = Left and Leave = Right. but my last qualifying sentence said IMO that is a misconception !!

But what you suggest is not true and I don't hear anyone actually really saying there is such a simple division. In fact all commentators and everyone here I think are aware, and have been so since the referendum, that Leave/Remain allegiances do not align with traditional Right/Left politics. We all know that they don't.

That in general the traditional Right Wing media align with Leave and Left Wing media with Remain is a different matter - though even then there are variations since some traditionally right of centre newspapers (such as The Times and FT) at least for the referendum tended towards Remain

 

[Old Skier]

Don't know how you draw that conclusion from what anyone has said.

Both Johnson and Farage seem pretty clearly to be politically right of centre and voters from traditionally across the political spectrum believed them and in them.

Now it's as if we have the Leave team Manager saying that the team's tactics in the game should be X, and the team Skipper is saying they should be Y. Meanwhile the team only wants to win, but if they keep getting confusing and contradictory messages from the Manager and the Skipper then they get confused and angry - and at some point one is dumped - usually quite unceremoniously or with effusive platitudes about a job well done. Well I think I know the one currently being dumped. Pity many of the team love their skipper and believe in him more than their manager, and it is the skipper who is being dumped...Not sure that these things always end well.

From your statement I take it that Corbyn and all the other staunch Labour leavers are really fanatical right wing loons. That's cleared that up.

 

[drdel]

From your statement I take it that Corbyn and all the other staunch Labour leavers are really fanatical right wing loons. That's cleared that up.

Well for JC it is open to debate since he has been a very strong advocate of getting the UK out of the EU throughout his political career - up to the point of becoming leader of the opposition and being asked to take A position !

 

[SocketRocket]

From your statement I take it that Corbyn and all the other staunch Labour leavers are really fanatical right wing loons. That's cleared that up.

Yes and Tony Ben along with them.

 

[SocketRocket]

What has anything about Tom Watson got to do with Farage and Johnson...

You know , Team Manager saying X and Team Skipper saying Y. Surely that's exactly what's happened between Corbyn and Watson.

 

[Old Skier]

Funny how those Momentum folk are so quick to put a label on people and just in case - It's said in fun.

 

[SocketRocket]

Funny how those Momentum folk are so quick to put a label on people and just in case - It's said in fun.

Yes, seems like Genghis Khan is way left of me. 😜

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You know , Team Manager saying X and Team Skipper saying Y. Surely that's exactly what's happened between Corbyn and Watson.

Yes - but I'm not talking about Corbyn and Watson. I'm talking about the two principal players in the Leave campaign - the two individuals that a lot of the public would have heard and listened to in respect of what they might expect from voting to leave the EU. So who do they listen to now?

 

[Hobbit]

Yes - but I'm not talking about Corbyn and Watson. I'm talking about the two principal players in the Leave campaign - the two individuals that a lot of the public would have heard and listened to in respect of what they might expect from voting to leave the EU. So who do they listen to now?

Surely the only 'official' player is Johnson? What has Farage done in the last 3 years apart from being the noisy, disruptive child?

 

[Old Skier]

Surely the only 'official' player is Johnson? What has Farage done in the last 3 years apart from being the noisy, disruptive child?

I think he runs a rant radio show

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Surely the only 'official' player is Johnson? What has Farage done in the last 3 years apart from being the noisy, disruptive child?

Created a Party that could be beneficial or disastrous to the GE, and the above.

 

[Hobbit]

Created a Party that could be beneficial or disastrous to the GE, and the above.

Whats beneficial to one party in one constituency might work against the same party in the next constituency. Bearing in mind the impact in the Euro elections, and the fact they're targeting Labour seats and marginals there could be quite an impact.

Maybe Farage is hoping for a hung parliament and enough Brexit Party seats to form an alliance with the Tories.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Whats beneficial to one party in one constituency might work against the same party in the next constituency. Bearing in mind the impact in the Euro elections, and the fact they're targeting Labour seats and marginals there could be quite an impact.

Maybe Farage is hoping for a hung parliament and enough Brexit Party seats to form an alliance with the Tories.

Whatever happens he’ll make sure he’s centre of attention.

 

[Foxholer]

You misread - or I wasn't clear with my somewhat tongue in cheek comment to SILH.

I can't see what there is to disagree with - I was suggesting from the general/common stance in comments that Remain = Left and Leave = Right. but my last qualifying sentence said IMO that is a misconception !!

You should consider using smileys then!!

Be honest - like a golfer! It's TIC if you don't get away with it; successful 'propoganda' if you do!

You are abusing your rather unique position!

All IMO of course!