Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[SocketRocket]

You should consider using smileys then!!

Be honest - like a golfer! It's TIC if you don't get away with it; successful 'propoganda' if you do!

You are abusing your rather unique position!

All IMO of course!

His opinion is fair, its not a given that people who voted leave are of a right wing disposition and remain of a left wing one. Many people don't fit squarely into either of those categories but rather float between them on certain issues. What exactly defines the characteristics of a Right or Left wing person anyway, I think it's rather subjective and often used as a blunt instrument against people.

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes - but I'm not talking about Corbyn and Watson. I'm talking about the two principal players in the Leave campaign - the two individuals that a lot of the public would have heard and listened to in respect of what they might expect from voting to leave the EU. So who do they listen to now?

My point is that there is nothing unique in their relationship in politics and it's similar to that of Corbyn and Watson. Its not unusual for politicians to be in the same camp but with different aspirations for the desired outcomes.

 

[drdel]

You should consider using smileys then!!

Be honest - like a golfer! It's TIC if you don't get away with it; successful 'propoganda' if you do!

You are abusing your rather unique position!

All IMO of course!

Sorry . I'm not aware of any 'unique' position ! and I'm not in the business of promoting propaganda (with an 'a') for any person or organisation! As I said twas just a bit of a windup/fuel for SILH - which is, of course, surplus to requirements.

 

[Foxholer]

Sorry . I'm not aware of any 'unique' position ! and I'm not in the business of promoting propaganda (with an 'a') for any person or organisation! As I said twas just a bit of a windup/fuel for SILH - which is, of course, surplus to requirements.

Yeah! Right!

PS. I thought I'd corrected that 'a'!

And, btw/fwiw, it's "''twas"!

 

[Leftie]

Yeah! Right!

PS. I thought I'd corrected that 'a'!

And, btw/fwiw, it's "''twas"!

Shouldn't that be 'twas!?

 

[Foxholer]

Shouldn't that be 'twas!?

Indeed it should've been! Sticky keyboard (superfluous single quote/apostrophe) strikes again!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think he runs a rant radio show

The only people who would rant on his LBC radio show were Leave voters...he doesn't do the show at the moment.

Any Remain voters that would bother phoning in would often simply give up through not having their questions answered - or he'd finish the call if they were being too persistent in their questioning and scepticism.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Surely the only 'official' player is Johnson? What has Farage done in the last 3 years apart from being the noisy, disruptive child?

He has been the noisy, disruptive child that has shaped the thinking and actions of many of the electorate - you only had to listen to his LBC Radio Show to know that as a fact Then listen to many current callers to any LBC show to know that many continue worship at the feet of Farage and are ardent believers in the gospel according to Farage. It's not a book I have any faith in...

 

[Hobbit]

He has been the noisy, disruptive child that has shaped the thinking and actions of many of the electorate - you only had to listen to his LBC Radio Show to know that as a fact Then listen to many current callers to any LBC show to know that many continue worship at the feet of Farage and are ardent believers in the gospel according to Farage. It's not a book I have any faith in...

Really? You're using the number of listeners of LBC, many of which tune in specifically to his show, as a significant number? Really? Surely you know that that is nowhere near a true indicator.

 

[robinthehood]

Elon musk states brexit uncertainty the reason he didn't choose UK as a site for his European gigafactory.
I'm sure someone paid him to say that 😉

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Really? You're using the number of listeners of LBC, many of which tune in specifically to his show, as a significant number? Really? Surely you know that that is nowhere near a true indicator.

I have been listening to Farageistas phone in to LBC for 4 years now. And as I mentioned - not just to his programme - you can tune any time of any day 24hrs a day, 7 days a week, and if the topic is being discussed they will call. And more often than not they will use a Farage Talking-Point or refer to him - he has most certainly shaped their thinking. It is necessary for me to not comment about the lack of understanding many demonstrate about what Farage is actually on about and what it might mean.

We know that there are indeed a significant number of followers of the Farage-ist cause (because IMO it is all about him) - though hopefully that number is now dropping given Farage's reverse ferret and walk-back this week.

 

[SocketRocket]

I have been listening to Farageistas phone in to LBC for 4 years now. And as I mentioned - not just to his programme - you can tune any time of any day 24hrs a day, 7 days a week, and if the topic is being discussed they will call. And more often than not they will use a Farage Talking-Point or refer to him - he has most certainly shaped their thinking. It is necessary for me to not comment about the lack of understanding many demonstrate about what Farage is actually on about and what it might mean.

We know that there are indeed a significant number of followers of the Farage-ist cause (because IMO it is all about him) - though hopefully that number is now dropping given Farage's reverse ferret and walk-back this week.

I do find it hard to understand your stance on Farage. It seems you listen in to his radio program and dislike him and people that phone in, why do you do it as you disagree with just about everything he says, it seems like a form of mental flagulation. I would take a guess that you are the only person on this forum who tunes into him. I would rather stick pins in my eyes than to listen to a radio program hosted by say John McDonnel or Jeremy Corbyn let alone Boris Johnson. For the sake of your sanity resist it.

 

[Foxholer]

He has been the noisy, disruptive child that has shaped the thinking and actions of many of the electorate - you only had to listen to his LBC Radio Show to know that as a fact Then listen to many current callers to any LBC show to know that many continue worship at the feet of Farage and are ardent believers in the gospel according to Farage. It's not a book I have any faith in...

Farage leads a 'single issue' party that will disappear once Brexit happens!

I actually suspect he is unable to field candidates in very many seats or support/fund a full campaign, so has spun (something he's very good at) this explanation. The Brexit Party would probably be more honestly named The Farage Party!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Farage leads a 'single issue' party that will disappear once Brexit happens!

I actually suspect he is unable to field candidates in very many seats or support/fund a full campaign, so has spun (something he's very good at) this explanation. The Brexit Party would probably be more honestly named The Farage Party!

He’ll only disappear if the media stop feeding him to the people, run up to the GE we have BBC QT Leader specials, whose the first, Farage, not an MP, not even a candidate in the GE and he gets airtime.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I do find it hard to understand your stance on Farage. It seems you listen in to his radio program and dislike him and people that phone in, why do you do it as you disagree with just about everything he says, it seems like a form of mental flagulation. I would take a guess that you are the only person on this forum who tunes into him. I would rather stick pins in my eyes than to listen to a radio program hosted by say John McDonnel or Jeremy Corbyn let alone Boris Johnson. For the sake of your sanity resist it.

I find it very difficult to believe that you don't get why some such as I dislike Farage's stance and views expressed. I don't dislike the guy and I don't dislike the people who support him - that phone in to speak with him or to other presenters. That at times I might despair to myself as I listen to them - well that is my prerogative. But I listen to try and understand where he is coming from - and I do get much of it. However what he then concludes in respect of the EU and the Elite I often consider disingenuous (at best).

It's too late for now but I think that his show should have been required listening for all Leave voters who absolutely believe that all the 17.4million who voted to leave knew just what they were voting for - it's a bit of an eye-opener

 

[chrisd]

I find it very difficult to believe that you don't get why some such as I dislike Farage's stance and views expressed. I don't dislike the guy and I don't dislike the people who support him - that phone in to speak with him or to other presenters. That at times I might despair to myself as I listen to them - well that is my prerogative. But I listen to try and understand where he is coming from - and I do get much of it. However what he then concludes in respect of the EU and the Elite I often consider disingenuous (at best).

It's too late for now but I think that his show should have been required listening for all Leave voters who absolutely believe that all the 17.4million who voted to leave knew just what they were voting for - it's a bit of an eye-opener

What? Like all the Remoaners knew what they were voting for? Like everyone knows what they are voting for in the general election ? Like everyone knows what they are voting for at the golf club when the annual accounts are approved?

 

[SocketRocket]

I find it very difficult to believe that you don't get why some such as I dislike Farage's stance and views expressed. I don't dislike the guy and I don't dislike the people who support him - that phone in to speak with him or to other presenters. That at times I might despair to myself as I listen to them - well that is my prerogative. But I listen to try and understand where he is coming from - and I do get much of it. However what he then concludes in respect of the EU and the Elite I often consider disingenuous (at best).

It's too late for now but I think that his show should have been required listening for all Leave voters who absolutely believe that all the 17.4million who voted to leave knew just what they were voting for - it's a bit of an eye-opener

I still dont get why you keep listening to it, if youve not made your mind up about him after four years you never will.

Does anyone believe all 17.4 million people knew what they were voting for or if all Remain voters knew likewise. It just doesnt matter as its not a prerequisite for voting. The vote was cast and a result declared, its over now and needs putting behind us.

 

[Hobbit]

I find it very difficult to believe that you don't get why some such as I dislike Farage's stance and views expressed. I don't dislike the guy and I don't dislike the people who support him - that phone in to speak with him or to other presenters. That at times I might despair to myself as I listen to them - well that is my prerogative. But I listen to try and understand where he is coming from - and I do get much of it. However what he then concludes in respect of the EU and the Elite I often consider disingenuous (at best).

It's too late for now but I think that his show should have been required listening for all Leave voters who absolutely believe that all the 17.4million who voted to leave knew just what they were voting for - it's a bit of an eye-opener

Mmm, my experience is that there's a fair few Remainers who didn't know what they were voting for. I even have an aunt who said she voted Remain because she "likes that nice Mr Cameron." Your bias is horrendous. I think O'Brien show should have been required listening. What an obnoxious toad of a man. I'd equate him with Farage in the blink of an eye.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Mmm, my experience is that there's a fair few Remainers who didn't know what they were voting for. I even have an aunt who said she voted Remain because she "likes that nice Mr Cameron." Your bias is horrendous. I think O'Brien show should have been required listening. What an obnoxious toad of a man. I'd equate him with Farage in the blink of an eye.

I knew exactly what I was voting for - for the day after the referendum. The same as the day before.

What then might happen and develop at least we would be on the inside with some degree of influence. If things subsequently changed in a way that I did not like then in time we'd have another opportunity to decide whether to stay in or not. We'd have regular 5 yearly opportunities for Westminster and EU parliament elections to make sure that the parties wanting to be our government knew just what we wanted of the EU. And they would have to listen.

My bias is indeed perhaps verging on absolute. I think leaving is a terrible mistake with misunderstood and misrepresented reasons and consequences of doing so - where we will lose things that we currently have with little tangible benefit for the ordinary individual in return; and with the risk of consequences that are most likely to harm only those less able to cope.

Yes - I will lose some freedoms of travel, and perhaps my pension will be hit - however I am very fortunate to be able to afford holidays and to have a half decent pension fund. I am quite comfortable. Leaving will not really affect me significantly. But very many are not so fortunate - and when they feel the pain with little of what they expected in return - our divided society will hurt even more and the anger will grow. My concerns for the future are more social than economic - in time the country will find it's new place wherever that is. I am less certain about society.

On O'Brien - O'Brien can be abrupt and condescending - but he aims to have the debate based upon fact and truth - and he will not hesitate to expose those who use falsehoods and unsubstantiated fact to support their arguments. He is clear that his sympathy sits with the lied to and he is highly critical of the liars and deceivers. Why do government ministers go on Ferrari and not on O'Brien? - because they know they will be exposed by O'Brien.

I am sorry that you find my bias horrendous - it is what it is - but my view is simply driven by concern.

 

[drdel]

I find it very difficult to believe that you don't get why some such as I dislike Farage's stance and views expressed. I don't dislike the guy and I don't dislike the people who support him - that phone in to speak with him or to other presenters. That at times I might despair to myself as I listen to them - well that is my prerogative. But I listen to try and understand where he is coming from - and I do get much of it. However what he then concludes in respect of the EU and the Elite I often consider disingenuous (at best).

It's too late for now but I think that his show should have been required listening for all Leave voters who absolutely believe that all the 17.4million who voted to leave knew just what they were voting for - it's a bit of an eye-opener

OK. So the 2m listeners to LBC must be mad as they tune into and obviously worship Farage and Rees-Mogg (I understand you merely tune-in, so as to 'monitor' Farage).

But this stuff is just going over and over old ground that has been done for 3years and 16+k posts. Farage contributed to getting a referendum and was a significant player in the debate. However, the UK has now taken steps to leave the EU (under two PM's who you have also continuously rubbished!). Perhaps we could just focus the discussion on what we think the future might hold and how the EU is panning out while France and Germany are having a bit of a tiff and Italy continues to become more of a basket case. Germany has more people visiting food banks than UK and is still in negative growth. etc.etc.

For example which countries in or out of the EU do you/we think would be good for the UK and why?

There's plenty in the Brexit arena to discuss but we seem to prefer adopting the stereotypical British Islander by our bitching about the past and rubbishing personalities. There is plenty of opportunities and fuel on the GE thread to lambaste our daft MPs and media!