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Sorry I’m confused, how can boris change some of the detail in the WA without going back to the EU for further negotiations.
He has his deal, so from his pov it’s his deal or No Deal.
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He has his deal, so from his pov it’s his deal or No Deal.
chrisd
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This is about the trade agreement which follows. If the EU try and hang it out for a few years we will leave without a deal
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So there’s no guarantee he can get what he wants and then we’d have the uncertainty again of leaving with No Deal, I’d be surprised if boris would be willing to show his position this far in advance.
Mudball
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What a shame..: we are choosing between Liar+knobhead v/s another one of the same.. how did we reach here?
as they say ‘We (the country) deserve the politicians that we get’
Doon frae Troon
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Very few Scots voted for those four...……..Scotland [the country] did get the politicians that we voted for and thank goodness they are a darn sight better than those four + their cohorts. That is the real shame.
Foxholer
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But at least growth! Which is better than Germany's Q2 value (-ve) - and likely to be better than its Q3 value, which if negative again means technical recession! consecutive
drdel
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Better, under the current conditions, than Germany's recession.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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It's what Farage said in the interview...ask him.
In fact did I not hear this morning that Johnson was saying last night - when talking about his delight at getting Farage to back down - that he succeeded by suggesting/offering Farage a Super Canada Plus type deal - might just have been Canada Plus. And what Farage was saying about it was for that to come about Johnson would have to move away from some of what he has agreed - specifically in respect of regulatory alignment - the main thing that for Farage made Johnson's WA a BRINO WA. I think.
I thought it a bit weird that Johnson has said this - as all serious negotiators know that you don't reveal your key objective before negotiations get underway.
Anyway.
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chrisd
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But Johnsons position is still backed by the option of NO DEAL
robinthehood
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Yeah great probably better than a whole host of other countries too.
Doesn't stop it being piss poor.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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yes it may well be - I was only commenting upon what Farage has said that Johnson has horse-traded for Farage's reverse ferret - though whether he can actually deliver that to Farage is another matter.
And so still on a day-by-day basis what Brexit means changes - even for those who purported to have clear ideas of what it is. So as soon as Johnson defines Brexit - his fellow lead-leaver Farage tells him he's talking rubbish - that what Johnson is saying is Brexit is not Brexit at all. But these guys are the two most prominent and listened to Leave leaders - the two individuals that I suggest the majority of voters took the word of as truth and voted accordingly. And yet these guys cannot agree the truth.
And still we are still told that all 17.4m people who voted to Leave knew what they were voting for. Well I suggest that we ALL now know what Brexit means. It mean 'It'. And so what we have been hearing, and will do so endlessly from Leave proponents and voters over up to 12th December, is that we must get It done. And that is pretty much it. Doesn't actually matter what 'It' is - It just must be done.
We are been dragged towards the Exit by people who can't agree what's the other side of the door - but it doesn't matter - the UK must be dragged or shoved through that door. And meanwhile, under pressure from the Right-wing press for perhaps suggesting the truth about Johnson's WA, Farage jumps into bed with the Tories...those he had previously derided as the elite.
Hells teeth. It would be almost funny were it not so serious.
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chrisd
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I'm not sure any horse trade was necessary. Farage was coming under fire from Brexiteers for potentially stopping Brexit by dividing the Tory vote and thus letting other parties gain Tory seats
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Indeed he was - because he had the temerity to suggest that Johnson's WA Brexit was rubbish - and when he started to describe just what Johnson's Brexit actually meant - what Brexit might actually mean - he was told by the Right Wing Press to zip-it!
drdel
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So the conclusion is...
If you voted remain you must be on the Left of the political spectrum, and, of course, if you voted to leave you must be to the Right. Therein lies the misconception !
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woody69
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Farage screwing people over again? Who would have thought it...
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I genuinely don’t understand what it is people believe in this man, his career is littered with failure.
Doon frae Troon
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More likely under fire from his shady backers and The Kremlin....
Not forgetting the Johnson/Farage puppetmaster…...….The Donald.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Don't know how you draw that conclusion from what anyone has said.
Both Johnson and Farage seem pretty clearly to be politically right of centre and voters from traditionally across the political spectrum believed them and in them.
Now it's as if we have the Leave team Manager saying that the team's tactics in the game should be X, and the team Skipper is saying they should be Y. Meanwhile the team only wants to win, but if they keep getting confusing and contradictory messages from the Manager and the Skipper then they get confused and angry - and at some point one is dumped - usually quite unceremoniously or with effusive platitudes about a job well done. Well I think I know the one currently being dumped. Pity many of the team love their skipper and believe in him more than their manager, and it is the skipper who is being dumped...Not sure that these things always end well.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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And Farage told Eddie Mair that the candidates wouldn't be getting any refund...Happy Families
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