Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Old Skier]

So joking aside, why has no.10 stopped the following report out?
Also other findings have been proven that there has been interference ...
Come on don't pooh pooh something that exists and don't claim it's project fear either, we get a lot of stick for EU funded surveys/investigations despite the caveat that they are not allowed to influence.
So we should let this one run a bit and let the suppressed report answer the question.

Having been involved with a select committee that submitted its report over 8 months ago I'm still waiting for the governments response so I think you'll find it's pretty normal for these things to drag on, but hey ho, tin foil hats on.

 

[Old Skier]

If he does he would be deemed to be a "stupid, game playing leaker!" better to keep it to just "stupid" and "game player"
Anyway I am waiting for Boris to say he hasn't seen the report and it doesn't exist and then claim that JC told Hamas all about this 20 years ago, whilst we review Jo Swinson's school voting record to cast aspersions on her, followed by a call for Sturgeon to do the royal variety show in a school uniform.
But of course we will ignore Tommy and Nigel because they are completely sensible ......

As chair of the select committee, Grieve knows what's in the report, if it's that damning why doesn't he blow the whistle instead of insinuating that the government is being deliberate in not releasing the thing.

 

[harpo_72]

The questions have been raised, and I'm all for that. But I haven't made my mind up because I haven't heard the facts. You appear to have made up your mind before you've heard the facts. Is that wise?

Life lesson ... stop don’t carry on regardless. Sometimes the right thing to do is the toughest.
I haven’t made any decisions apart from the results have some concerns that need answers.
Simply put would You carry on building a bridge if the calculations were being questioned?

 

[harpo_72]

As chair of the select committee, Grieve knows what's in the report, if it's that damning why doesn't he blow the whistle instead of insinuating that the government is being deliberate in not releasing the thing.

He is giving Boris a chance to get it out himself.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The questions have been raised, and I'm all for that. But I haven't made my mind up because I haven't heard the facts. You appear to have made up your mind before you've heard the facts. Is that wise?

Grieve knows the facts as laid out in the report as he Chaired the Committee but he can not disclose or discuss them in any way. But he clearly has concerns that the issue of the report is being delayed until after the GE. We should be asking why this is the case.

Oops repeat ...

 

[Hobbit]

Life lesson ... stop don’t carry on regardless. Sometimes the right thing to do is the toughest.
I haven’t made any decisions apart from the results have some concerns that need answers.
Simply put would You carry on building a bridge if the calculations were being questioned?

The report is about interference in the Brexit referendum. The report is due out after the GE... what's the problem? My point to you is that you appear to have made up your mind without any knowledge of whats in the report. I have said I don't doubt there's interference but to what extent I don't know, and neither do you.

If the govt announces it will release the finding after 13st Jan, i.e. Brexit Day, I'll shout from the roof tops with you but they've said it will be released after the GE.

 

[harpo_72]

The report is about interference in the Brexit referendum. The report is due out after the GE... what's the problem? My point to you is that you appear to have made up your mind without any knowledge of whats in the report. I have said I don't doubt there's interference but to what extent I don't know, and neither do you.

If the govt announces it will release the finding after 13st Jan, i.e. Brexit Day, I'll shout from the roof tops with you but they've said it will be released after the GE.

Just release it now and clear the decks ... is it going to influence people? I am sure the Russian voters won’t be phased by it 🤣.
All I am saying is be completely transparent or it will be like the bus and the payments to the NHS .. constantly brought up

 

[Old Skier]

Strange, countries have been meddling in other countries elections for years and now someone wants to make an issue of it. Momentum got called out just this year for interfering in the German elections, it's the way of the world. I'm sure if it is a major issue Grieve will wait untill just before the election to get it leaked.

 

[Hobbit]

Just release it now and clear the decks ... is it going to influence people? I am sure the Russian voters won’t be phased by it 🤣.
All I am saying is be completely transparent or it will be like the bus and the payments to the NHS .. constantly brought up

Has everyone relevant in govt seen it yet? Has a considered response been formulated? Is that considered response complex? Does that considered response need a input from all parties?

As for the release it now; here's an analogy to consider. Young kid gets knocked over by a bus at one end of the High Street. People clamour for end of the High Street to be made pedestrian, and the local council accedes to those requests. Great, problem solved. But what about driver training? What about road safety education for children in schools? Has the best/safest route now been discarded? Would it have been better to stop on-street parking? Is the answer a bit of everything? You won't know if you don't give a considered response.

Release now (potentially) before a comprehensive response has been formulated? Release now when govt ministers are focused on an election? Will waiting 6 weeks make that much of a difference?

You think release now, and I don't.

 

[spongebob59]

grieve obviously has an axe to grind.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1191793854334287872

 

[spongebob59]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1191808653361201157

 

[drdel]

Just release it now and clear the decks ... is it going to influence people? I am sure the Russian voters won’t be phased by it 🤣.
All I am saying is be completely transparent or it will be like the bus and the payments to the NHS .. constantly brought up

Merely a media destruction. Of no real use to the average 'joe' and we may be wise and not wish to let Russia to know what we know until the timing is right.

 

[harpo_72]

Merely a media destruction. Of no real use to the average 'joe' and we may be wise and not wish to let Russia to know what we know until the timing is right.

Ah the cunning leaver plans ! Just like their negotiating strategy, very cunning.

 

[drdel]

Ah the cunning leaver plans ! Just like their negotiating strategy, very cunning.

Nowt to do with Brexit in my view just prudent security, but if you insist on twisting my opinions that's your choice. Have at it.....

 

[ger147]

Has everyone relevant in govt seen it yet? Has a considered response been formulated? Is that considered response complex? Does that considered response need a input from all parties?

As for the release it now; here's an analogy to consider. Young kid gets knocked over by a bus at one end of the High Street. People clamour for end of the High Street to be made pedestrian, and the local council accedes to those requests. Great, problem solved. But what about driver training? What about road safety education for children in schools? Has the best/safest route now been discarded? Would it have been better to stop on-street parking? Is the answer a bit of everything? You won't know if you don't give a considered response.

Release now (potentially) before a comprehensive response has been formulated? Release now when govt ministers are focused on an election? Will waiting 6 weeks make that much of a difference?

You think release now, and I don't.

It has been cleared for publication by all of the security services and also by the cabinet office which coordinates the reviews required by any/all government departments, it's now waiting to be cleared by the PM who has to give his sign-off before it can be published. The report was completed in March of this year and after going thru all of the reviews above, was cleared for publication by all of those parties and sent to No.10 on 17th October.

So to summarise, it's been cleared by everyone except Boris...

 

[harpo_72]

Nowt to do with Brexit in my view just prudent security, but if you insist on twisting my opinions that's your choice. Have at it.....

It’s always the same old response you think they have a plan .. well they do but it’s about themselves. We have had 3 yrs of this cunning plan stuff .. and it has all been shown to be rather amateur. Open your eyes to it, they are clueless and could not organise a booze up in a brewery or leg over in a brothel.

 

[spongebob59]

What a surprise :

https://twitter.com/x/status/1192110130227220480

 

[Foxholer]

The questions have been raised, and I'm all for that. But I haven't made my mind up because I haven't heard the facts. You appear to have made up your mind before you've heard the facts. Is that wise?

While that's not an unreasonable view - and one I believe is probably accurate - I'm more concerned with what seems to be classic suppression of such a report by Johnson. As an advocate of 'open government', I believe such reports should be released asap, not suppressed until politically convenient (or, in reality, 'least inconvenient'!)! It's part of 'the Press's responsibility' to challenge such manipulation imo - and by 'Press', I include the likes of TV and Radio reporting/comment too.

 

[drdel]

I see the EU growth forecasts have been reduced further as they believe the internal market (which they have relied upon) is shrinking and Germany's growth of an historic 2% has pretty much gone negative.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I see the EU growth forecasts have been reduced further as they believe the internal market (which they have relied upon) is shrinking and Germany's growth of an historic 2% has pretty much gone negative.

I wouldn't believe forecasts...