Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Jamesbrown]

Brilliant the Russians have been funding some of the Brexit campaigns and given donations to the Tory Party ...
all you comrades have been outed 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Just waiting for the “Russian collusion” or “George Soros interference” in the media afterwards.

Yawning...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Twaddle! I know what he meant.

So you are telling me that Cummings was wrong - after all it was Cummings who explained the importance of the message on the side of bus in getting the leave vote. And I am not making that up or suggesting anything else - just saying what Cummings has told us about that and how it fitted into how the Leave campaign targetted voters.

 

[Hobbit]

Brilliant the Russians have been funding some of the Brexit campaigns and given donations to the Tory Party ...
all you comrades have been outed 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Wow!

3 investigations by the electoral commission and one by the National Crime Agency all found there there hadn't been any funding from Russia yet this is still being bandied around.

Nowt like twisting the facts for effect. And they call Leavers out for lies.

The current report hasn't been published yet but, hey kids will be kids.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Brexit...….it was a UK wide vote so sod off Scotland.
Election....only UK wide party leaders can take part in the TV leaders debate.

The 2014 VOW ....Lead us don't leave us Scotland.
2014 Result a few hours later..... EVEL introduced.

 

[harpo_72]

Wow!

3 investigations by the electoral commission and one by the National Crime Agency all found there there hadn't been any funding from Russia yet this is still being bandied around.

Nowt like twisting the facts for effect. And they call Leavers out for lies.

The current report hasn't been published yet but, hey kids will be kids.

fact or fiction who cares it’s hilarious.. well for a non Tory remainer anyway 🙂👍

By the way no one has said how Nige was going to stop illegal immigration... ??

 

[Foxholer]

Twaddle! I know what he meant.

I have no doubt you did! But you then proceeded to corrupt that meaning my changing 'many' to 'most'!

Do you corrupt your golf score in similar fashion?

 

[SocketRocket]

I have no doubt you did! But you then proceeded to corrupt that meaning my changing 'many' to 'most'!

Do you corrupt your golf score in similar fashion?

Twaddle! First Hogie can fight his own battles, you are only jumping in because you cant help yourself, second many//most is a nit picking argument, third what's it to do with golf !!! Get a grip you big twazzzer.

 

[harpo_72]

Wow!

3 investigations by the electoral commission and one by the National Crime Agency all found there there hadn't been any funding from Russia yet this is still being bandied around.

Nowt like twisting the facts for effect. And they call Leavers out for lies.

The current report hasn't been published yet but, hey kids will be kids.

So joking aside, why has no.10 stopped the following report out?
Also other findings have been proven that there has been interference ...
Come on don't pooh pooh something that exists and don't claim it's project fear either, we get a lot of stick for EU funded surveys/investigations despite the caveat that they are not allowed to influence.
So we should let this one run a bit and let the suppressed report answer the question.

 

[drdel]

So joking aside, why has no.10 stopped the following report out?
Also other findings have been proven that there has been interference ...
Come on don't pooh pooh something that exists and don't claim it's project fear either, we get a lot of stick for EU funded surveys/investigations despite the caveat that they are not allowed to influence.
So we should let this one run a bit and let the suppressed report answer the question.

It normally takes longer so it is quite normal for any report that addresses issues of security to be carefully read by a number of parties who may have contributed to or involved in the content.

The reality is it will not be of any material significance to the normal person; just media/pundits looking for soundbites to fill time - Grieve is simply playing stupid games.

 

[harpo_72]

It normally takes longer so it is quite normal for any report that addresses issues of security to be carefully read by a number of parties who may have contributed to or involved in the content.

The reality is it will not be of any material significance to the normal person; just media/pundits looking for soundbites to fill time - Grieve is simply playing stupid games.

Are they games and stupid, because he is a remainer ?

 

[drdel]

Are they games and stupid, because he is a remainer ?

No simply an opinion. Having been involved in a few of this type of report I'm just saying that under 'normal' circumstances the period / timing of the release of sensitive reports would not be an issue. I don't care that Grieve supports remaining but I'm beginning to question his motives and he seems to have become overly arrogant while on his media foray and believes he's the sole 'expert' on the legal matters.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No simply an opinion. Having been involved in a few of this type of report I'm just saying that under 'normal' circumstances the period / timing of the release of sensitive reports would not be an issue. I don't care that Grieve supports remaining but I'm beginning to question his motives and he seems to have become overly arrogant while on his media foray and believes he's the sole 'expert' on the legal matters.

Well he has expressed bafflement on why it has not been released following normal process and timescales - but has refused to make any comment about any aspect of the report - though he knows what it says.

 

[harpo_72]

Well he has expressed bafflement on why it has not been released following normal process and timescales - but has refused to make any comment about any aspect of the report - though he knows what it says.

If he does he would be deemed to be a "stupid, game playing leaker!" better to keep it to just "stupid" and "game player"
Anyway I am waiting for Boris to say he hasn't seen the report and it doesn't exist and then claim that JC told Hamas all about this 20 years ago, whilst we review Jo Swinson's school voting record to cast aspersions on her, followed by a call for Sturgeon to do the royal variety show in a school uniform.
But of course we will ignore Tommy and Nigel because they are completely sensible ......

 

[Foxholer]

Twaddle! First Hogie can fight his own battles, you are only jumping in because you cant help yourself, second many//most is a nit picking argument, third what's it to do with golf !!! Get a grip you big twazzzer.

Settle down laddie, or you'll your boiler!

None of that makes any difference to the FACT that you (deliberately? - almost certainly!) corrupted his wording! Their's a big difference between those two terms when applied to the numbers in the referendum!

Still, it's nice to observe, from your ott, abusive reply, that you acknowledge your transgression!

All that's needed now (small hope; I expect another rant) is for you to' be a golfer' for once and admit your trangression, At least, kindly desist from repeat occurrences!

 

[Hobbit]

So joking aside, why has no.10 stopped the following report out?
Also other findings have been proven that there has been interference ...
Come on don't pooh pooh something that exists and don't claim it's project fear either, we get a lot of stick for EU funded surveys/investigations despite the caveat that they are not allowed to influence.
So we should let this one run a bit and let the suppressed report answer the question.

First of all, the process for releasing reports has to gone through. Is it right or not I don't know?

As for other findings. Has anyone had sight of the report that proves it yet, have you?

Honestly, I will be very surprised if there isn't Russian interference but how about we stay away from sensationalist rubbish till we've got the facts. Hacking into the system that records postal votes, I wouldn't be surprised... but until proven either way I'll wait before taking my place on the bandwagon.

 

[harpo_72]

First of all, the process for releasing reports has to gone through. Is it right or not I don't know?

As for other findings. Has anyone had sight of the report that proves it yet, have you?

Honestly, I will be very surprised if there isn't Russian interference but how about we stay away from sensationalist rubbish till we've got the facts. Hacking into the system that records postal votes, I wouldn't be surprised... but until proven either way I'll wait before taking my place on the bandwagon.

That’s fair but spin your questions back the other way and then accept there is no defined answer in both directions.
I will say if there is interference then they have caused mayhem for 3 years. Plus we can stop hearing this 17.4 million stuff .. in fact that argument can be dropped right now as the majority is now questionable until proven.
Looks like all activities should be frozen from here until this is cleared up or the mess will get worse.

 

[Hobbit]

That’s fair but spin your questions back the other way and then accept there is no defined answer in both directions.
I will say if there is interference then they have caused mayhem for 3 years. Plus we can stop hearing this 17.4 million stuff .. in fact that argument can be dropped right now as the majority is now questionable until proven.
Looks like all activities should be frozen from here until this is cleared up or the mess will get worse.

Of course you are right...

What was the interference? What impact did it have, if any? Did it amount to enough to swing the balance of votes?

You don't know but you've already made up your mind... You need to dial it back and deal in facts. You may well be right but, equally, you may well be wrong. But if you say the 17.4m should drop the argument till its proven, you need to drop it till proven otherwise too. Or is it one rule for them and a different one for you?

 

[SocketRocket]

Settle down laddie, or you'll your boiler!

None of that makes any difference to the FACT that you (deliberately? - almost certainly!) corrupted his wording! Their's a big difference between those two terms when applied to the numbers in the referendum!

Still, it's nice to observe, from your ott, abusive reply, that you acknowledge your transgression!

All that's needed now (small hope; I expect another rant) is for you to' be a golfer' for once and admit your trangression, At least, kindly desist from repeat occurrences!

I explained it to you, if you dont accept my explanation then tough.

 

[harpo_72]

Of course you are right...

What was the interference? What impact did it have, if any? Did it amount to enough to swing the balance of votes?

You don't know but you've already made up your mind... You need to dial it back and deal in facts. You may well be right but, equally, you may well be wrong. But if you say the 17.4m should drop the argument till its proven, you need to drop it till proven otherwise too. Or is it one rule for them and a different one for you?

I have made up my mind that I want to stop and clear the issue, not plough on regardless and saying it’s project fear ... it’s common sense.
And yes I am dealing in facts, a question has been raised .. it needs answering before we can categorically say proceed as the data is clean. You know that

 

[Hobbit]

I have made up my mind that I want to stop and clear the issue, not plough on regardless and saying it’s project fear ... it’s common sense.
And yes I am dealing in facts, a question has been raised .. it needs answering before we can categorically say proceed as the data is clean. You know that

The questions have been raised, and I'm all for that. But I haven't made my mind up because I haven't heard the facts. You appear to have made up your mind before you've heard the facts. Is that wise?