Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hobbit]

Doesn't mean we should just accept it. It's a democracy... people's views change and it's not unreasonable for that view to change when provided with more detail on what the actual outcomes are.

Imagine you order fish n chips at a restaurant. Unknown to the server, they have run out of Fish n Chips.
You would expect them to come out and ask what you would prefer, rather than just cobble together Trout and a bag of Golden Woner... which is technically Fish n Chips and you have to eat it / pay for it as that's what you asked for.

Think you've missed the point of the discussion Paul and I were having. Your post doesn't connect with what we were on about.

I don't dispute what you're saying but you're well off the mark with my point to Paul.

 

[Old Skier]

Doesn't mean we should just accept it. It's a democracy... people's views change and it's not unreasonable for that view to change when provided with more detail on what the actual outcomes are.

Imagine you order fish n chips at a restaurant. Unknown to the server, they have run out of Fish n Chips.
You would expect them to come out and ask what you would prefer, rather than just cobble together Trout and a bag of Golden Woner... which is technically Fish n Chips and you have to eat it / pay for it as that's what you asked for.

Unfortunately nobody from either remain or leave has provided any detailed proof on any future outcome.

 

[drdel]

Doesn't mean we should just accept it. It's a democracy... people's views change and it's not unreasonable for that view to change when provided with more detail on what the actual outcomes are.

Imagine you order fish n chips at a restaurant. Unknown to the server, they have run out of Fish n Chips.
You would expect them to come out and ask what you would prefer, rather than just cobble together Trout and a bag of Golden Woner... which is technically Fish n Chips and you have to eat it / pay for it as that's what you asked for.

But a country has to plan rather further ahead than fast food.

 

[harpo_72]

Unfortunately nobody from either remain or leave has provided any detailed proof on any future outcome.

Why should remainers offer up suggestions? May has been completely ostracised because she was a remainer negotiating the leave deal .. so evidence is there that leavers want to resolve this. It’s just now they have to do it in a manner that will convince the remainers.
Which is a huge ask given that the overall difference between both sides, 3 yrs ago was too small and now it’s even smaller.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

As per my last post, did the EU promise a deal? Its as simple as that.

Take out all the "he said, she said" you heard from politicians - thats just a sales pitch. Take out the glossy pamphlets and the experts opinions. Did the EU promise a deal? Its that simple.

There was no promise. And if there was no promise, No Deal was a possibility. Its that simple.

Last post on it Bri as I see it different.

The EU don’t and never wanted us to Leave. They made provisions for a No Deal should it of happened.

We(this Country) were led by our Politicians, everytime the EU made a statement it was ridiculed or praised and used by either campaign, the EU position was quite clear.

It’s like SR going on about Cameron’s No Deal statement as if it backs up his point, Cameron was laughed at, that statement was used time and time again by the Leave Campaign under the banner of Project Fear.

No Deal may of in your opinion been there by default, in my opinion it wasn’t and is now used as a get clause by those on the extremes of wanting to Leave.

 

[Foxholer]

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My input and say in the matter ended in 2016.

Yet you are still harping on and on!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yet you are still harping on and on!

Knob.

 

[harpo_72]

Yet you are still harping on and on!

Probably because they could not deliver on the promises ... we might have been discussing golf deals had they done the job properly!!!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Probably because they could not deliver on the promises ... we might have been discussing golf deals had they done the job properly!!!

Ignore him mate, he has wound people up on this subject since the threads began. He believes he’s superior and more intelligent than everyone else.

 

[Foxholer]

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No Deal may of in your opinion been there by default, in my opinion it wasn’t and is now used as a get clause by those on the extremes of wanting to Leave.

You are wrong! Clause 3 of Article 50 refers!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You are wrong! Clause 3 of Article 50 refers!

Please stop trying to be clever and follow the conversation, the Leave campaign was built around us doing negotiations prior to triggering Art 50.
I know what Art 50 says about what happens after 2 years.

 

[Hobbit]

Last post on it Bri as I see it different.

The EU don’t and never wanted us to Leave. They made provisions for a No Deal should it of happened.

We(this Country) were led by our Politicians, everytime the EU made a statement it was ridiculed or praised and used by either campaign, the EU position was quite clear.

It’s like SR going on about Cameron’s No Deal statement as if it backs up his point, Cameron was laughed at, that statement was used time and time again by the Leave Campaign under the banner of Project Fear.

No Deal may of in your opinion been there by default, in my opinion it wasn’t and is now used as a get clause by those on the extremes of wanting to Leave.

Whether you see it differently or not Paul the fact, not opinion as you state, still remains that the EU never promised a deal, hence No Deal was always a possibility.

 

[Foxholer]

...the Leave campaign was built around us doing negotiations prior to triggering Art 50.
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Utter Twaddle!

All parties were aware that NO NEGOTIATIONS would happen until Article 50 was triggered - as per Clause 2!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Utter Twaddle!

All parties were aware that NO NEGOTIATIONS would happen until Article 50 was triggered - as per Clause 2!

You’re wrong, here’s one bit of evidence of what the Leave Campaign said.

edit: Bit more what we were told:
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org...ablishing_a_new_uk_eu_deal_after_23_june.html

 

[Blue in Munich]

Last post on it Bri as I see it different.

The EU don’t and never wanted us to Leave. They made provisions for a No Deal should it of happened.

We(this Country) were led by our Politicians, everytime the EU made a statement it was ridiculed or praised and used by either campaign, the EU position was quite clear.

It’s like SR going on about Cameron’s No Deal statement as if it backs up his point, Cameron was laughed at, that statement was used time and time again by the Leave Campaign under the banner of Project Fear.

No Deal may of in your opinion been there by default, in my opinion it wasn’t and is now used as a get clause by those on the extremes of wanting to Leave.

Sorry mate, the EU don't and never wanted OUR MONEY to leave. We could share a ditch with Boris for all they care, as long as we keep paying.

 

[robinthehood]

People keep talking about how much money we give the EU. Where do I sign up for my rebate after we've left and how do I claim the on going extra amount?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Sorry mate, the EU don't and never wanted OUR MONEY to leave. We could share a ditch with Boris for all they care, as long as we keep paying.

Totally agree, We are the cash cow, it’s one of the reasons I want to Leave.

 

[robinthehood]

Totally agree, We are the cash cow, it’s one of the reasons I want to Leave.

Yeah spending 1% of our budget.....

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yeah spending 1% of our budget.....

The % of our budget is irrelevant, we are still putting in more than others and whilst the EU is so crooked and unwilling to change, I don’t want to be part of it.
One big example is 114million euros a year it costs to move to Strasbourg once a month.

 

[robinthehood]

The % of our budget is irrelevant, we are still putting in more than others and whilst the EU is so crooked and unwilling to change, I don’t want to be part of it.
One big example is 114million euros a year it costs to move to Strasbourg once a month.

Pie in the sky mate, we will still be paying money to the EU after we have left...
The all encompassing FTA wont be free...