Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Doon frae Troon]

I would have thought the EU would only negotiate with the UK goverment.
They can ask but do they have any clout.?

It is not really a working Government though is it, minority of 44 seats.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Could it be because, we were told that the old wanted to leave (while the non-voting young wanted to Remain). So maybe the old have now died and so the majority now wants to stay. Wasnt there another stat that about 500k old people have died since Brexshit Ref, and so the vote has swung. Or is this more MSM propaganda ?

Edit: Found the link >> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-yougov-second-referendum-peter-a8541971.html
and https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/19/britain-turns-remain-today-elderly-leavers-die-survey-claims-8363505/

They say this indeed

Also they say since the ref you have all those who were 15-17 at the time who are now old enough to vote who are pro staying in EU

You never will know tho. Will go on until the end of time

Should never have been given to the general public to decide. No matter what the outcome it just causes division

 

[drdel]

They say this indeed

Also they say since the ref you have all those who were 15-17 at the time who are now old enough to vote who are pro staying in EU

You never will know tho. Will go on until the end of time

Should never have been given to the general public to decide. No matter what the outcome it just causes division

Yup. Just statistically twas always going to be about + or - 5% error rate with millions voting on a binary selection.

 

[clubchamp98]

It is not really a working Government though is it, minority of 44 seats.

It’s still the government though.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It’s still the government though.

Debatable.
Hamstrung and any sensible person not trusting a single word that they say.

 

[clubchamp98]

Debatable.
Hamstrung and any sensible person not trusting a single word that they say.

It’s not debatable Boris is PM until the GE .
Spineless opposition who do nothing but whine they want one then say NO when offered.
Off to the EU crying “it’s not us it’s them” .

Not defending anyone here they are all as bad as each other.

 

[drdel]

Debatable.
Hamstrung and any sensible person not trusting a single word that they say.

cf. Blackford, Sturgeon +++!

 

[clubchamp98]

cf. Blackford, Sturgeon +++!

My thoughts but didn’t want to get into Scottish politics ,I am off for 9 holes in the water.

 

[harpo_72]

I thought they just expressed views about soap operas and strictly

Nah, they were watching the commons debates on the euro votes .. Boris was not viewed positively nor was the Brexit situation.

 

[harpo_72]

Interesting to see leaks regarding the cutting back of workers rights and environmental commitments post brexit.
However not a surprise.

Plus the drop dead date for the new tax evasion laws ..

 

[Mudball]

Debatable.
Hamstrung and any sensible person not trusting a single word that they say.

you should start your Statement as ‘Acc to reliable source within No 10... ‘

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Plus the drop dead date for the new tax evasion laws ..

I think the first thing the Tories will hit [if elected] is holiday entitlement.
6 weeks in the EU
2 weeks in the USA

 

[harpo_72]

Could it be because, we were told that the old wanted to leave (while the non-voting young wanted to Remain). So maybe the old have now died and so the majority now wants to stay. Wasnt there another stat that about 500k old people have died since Brexshit Ref, and so the vote has swung. Or is this more MSM propaganda ?

Edit: Found the link >> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-yougov-second-referendum-peter-a8541971.html
and https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/19/britain-turns-remain-today-elderly-leavers-die-survey-claims-8363505/

For sure there is a case, I do think there is resentment as well at being denied opportunities by people who have had them all of their working life. I don’t see Europeans stealing our jobs I just see English people no bothered to to work hard enough to get those qualifications or do the graft to get up the ladder.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

cf. Blackford, Sturgeon +++!

To the best of my knowledge neither Ian or Nicola have been sacked from their workplace for lying [not even once ]

 

[Deleted member 21784]

For sure there is a case, I do think there is resentment as well at being denied opportunities by people who have had them all of their working life. I don’t see Europeans stealing our jobs I just see English people no bothered to to work hard enough to get those qualifications or do the graft to get up the ladder.

Whilst I agree with this in the main I went to a 2 year olds birthday today and one the mum's I know has started an apprenticeship in hairdressing however childcare for her daughter is £900 pm, she would be better off not working she said but wants to better herself long term. Good on her! Need more people with that attuide however it does highlight the issue of how much it costs just to have your kid looked after whilst you earn your money to provide for them

 

[harpo_72]

Whilst I agree with this in the main I went to a 2 year olds birthday today and one the mum's I know has started an apprenticeship in hairdressing however childcare for her daughter is £900 pm, she would be better off not working she said but wants to better herself long term. Good on her! Need more people with that attuide however it does highlight the issue of how much it costs just to have your kid looked after whilst you earn your money to provide for them

Yes child care is horrifically expensive- we worked it out it would cost £38k to do it so we would require a job in excess of £70k to afford it.
However we did find a child minder that charged £4/hr and I got care vouchers. So I could buy time tax efficiently.
So the point is it is possible and you can do it. My brother in law has Au Pairs and that works out okay for them. The cost is different and you need to accommodate and feed them and they will work 5 days a week.
There are ways around it all but it is a fine line and if your kid vomits at school you have to have 48 hrs out. Plus the schools enforce attendance to the end of term even if they are just watching videos etc .. making holidays expensive.
But all of this is the benefits of being a parent and things that should be considered before you have them.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Yes child care is horrifically expensive- we worked it out it would cost £38k to do it so we would require a job in excess of £70k to afford it.
However we did find a child minder that charged £4/hr and I got care vouchers. So I could buy time tax efficiently.
So the point is it is possible and you can do it. My brother in law has Au Pairs and that works out okay for them. The cost is different and you need to accommodate and feed them and they will work 5 days a week.
There are ways around it all but it is a fine line and if your kid vomits at school you have to have 48 hrs out. Plus the schools enforce attendance to the end of term even if they are just watching videos etc .. making holidays expensive.
But all of this is the benefits of being a parent and things that should be considered before you have them.

Indeed. Too many people don't think about it but sometimes life gets in the way and people don't want to make a choice when already pregnant that they won't keep just because they can't afford to.

I'm very lucky ..both grandmother's can't get enough of the little one. My mum phased retired and my wife's mum dropped a day .. my wife went part time so between them we are covered every day. Even though we could afford the childcare this way we could have the grandparents enjoying their time with her and us using the money for something else

Not everyone is this lucky tho. My colleague had his wife give up work to be full time childcare as all her wage was going on childcare at the time.

If only the cost of living was reasonable again for one person to work and the other to provide Childcare if they choose.

Progress I guess lol

 

[Mudball]

Yes child care is horrifically expensive- we worked it out it would cost £38k to do it so we would require a job in excess of £70k to afford it.
However we did find a child minder that charged £4/hr and I got care vouchers. So I could buy time tax efficiently.
So the point is it is possible and you can do it. My brother in law has Au Pairs and that works out okay for them. The cost is different and you need to accommodate and feed them and they will work 5 days a week.
There are ways around it all but it is a fine line and if your kid vomits at school you have to have 48 hrs out. Plus the schools enforce attendance to the end of term even if they are just watching videos etc .. making holidays expensive.
But all of this is the benefits of being a parent and things that should be considered before you have them.

While i empathise with the general gist of the post, i do tend to think that these ways are not available to everyone. While your company may provide childcare vouchers - not everyone does. Difficult if you are a hairdresser or self employed (that could be a generalisation). Now the lovely govt has withdrawn childcare vouchers for new applicants.

The most affordable Au Pairs were (generally) East Europeans - but this will stop once we stop FOM as this wont be seen as key skill that pays over say £30K. That will leave Aussies and other antipods.

Soon, Kids will only be allowed for those who earn 100K or on benefits.

<rant over>

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes child care is horrifically expensive- we worked it out it would cost £38k to do it so we would require a job in excess of £70k to afford it.
However we did find a child minder that charged £4/hr and I got care vouchers. So I could buy time tax efficiently.
So the point is it is possible and you can do it. My brother in law has Au Pairs and that works out okay for them. The cost is different and you need to accommodate and feed them and they will work 5 days a week.
There are ways around it all but it is a fine line and if your kid vomits at school you have to have 48 hrs out. Plus the schools enforce attendance to the end of term even if they are just watching videos etc .. making holidays expensive.
But all of this is the benefits of being a parent and things that should be considered before you have them.

Another benefit of being in the EU, child care at slave labour rates and much of it for armchair socialists. Suit you Sir.

 

[harpo_72]

While i empathise with the general gist of the post, i do tend to think that these ways are not available to everyone. While your company may provide childcare vouchers - not everyone does. Difficult if you are a hairdresser or self employed (that could be a generalisation). Now the lovely govt has withdrawn childcare vouchers for new applicants.

The most affordable Au Pairs were (generally) East Europeans - but this will stop once we stop FOM as this wont be seen as key skill that pays over say £30K. That will leave Aussies and other antipods.

Soon, Kids will only be allowed for those who earn 100K or on benefits.

<rant over>

No you are completely right, having kids access to a quality life should go hand in hand.
For sure we go without expensive holidays abroad and make do with the UK. Make do is actually belittling the adventures we have had in the UK. Both my wife and I are well travelled and when it is the right time we will take the boy out for some foreign adventures.
I do find though that people tend to not understand that you can get by - new clubs every year is not required, paying interest on car loans - why bother, having the latest mobile phone - unnecessary they have hardly improved on the key attributes.. etc
But the cost of living needs to reduce. But we need to invest in the services.