Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[harpo_72]

Another benefit of being in the EU, child care at slave labour rates and much of it for armchair socialists. Suit you Sir.

*yawn*
When you going sort out this round ?

 

[Hobbit]

Wow! Anger doesn't even come close.

I live in Spain for, in the main, 2 reasons. The weather and the cost of living. My pension goes about 40% further out here, e.g. my annual council tax bill is less a year than what I paid a month in the UK. And our gas bill is about £6/mth. 25* and sunny today.

I watch English TV, I subscribe to several English papers, I watched the rugby yesterday. I am English, and I hold an British passport. I am eligible for an Irish passport but to apply for one would be for convenience only, and I'm English.

What happens post-Brexit; the state sponsored healthcare many expats rely on ends - we're lucky as we can afford and have private HC. Currently, pensioners see their pensions rise each year as per if they were living in the UK. That ends at the end of the transition period. Why? Brexit is about the UK leaving the EU, so why mess with people's pensions? That's been common knowledge amongst the Expat community for quite sometime but have read of the next paragraph.

And the final 'insult;' on the official Gov.UK website from which expats get a lot of info, as of the end of the transition period British passport holders living outside of the UK will need to apply for a visa to enter Britain. Those British citizens who decide the return to the UK to live after the end of the transition period will have to apply for the right to reside. Really? You've got to be 'kin joking.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Wow! Anger doesn't even come close.

I live in Spain for, in the main, 2 reasons. The weather and the cost of living. My pension goes about 40% further out here, e.g. my annual council tax bill is less a year than what I paid a month in the UK. And our gas bill is about £6/mth. 25* and sunny today.

I watch English TV, I subscribe to several English papers, I watched the rugby yesterday. I am English, and I hold an British passport. I am eligible for an Irish passport but to apply for one would be for convenience only, and I'm English.

What happens post-Brexit; the state sponsored healthcare many expats rely on ends - we're lucky as we can afford and have private HC. Currently, pensioners see their pensions rise each year as per if they were living in the UK. That ends at the end of the transition period. Why? Brexit is about the UK leaving the EU, so why mess with people's pensions? That's been common knowledge amongst the Expat community for quite sometime but have read of the next paragraph.

And the final 'insult;' on the official Gov.UK website from which expats get a lot of info, as of the end of the transition period British passport holders living outside of the UK will need to apply for a visa to enter Britain. Those British citizens who decide the return to the UK to live after the end of the transition period will have to apply for the right to reside. Really? You've got to be 'kin joking.

Not good mate, hopefully it’s something that will change, that’s a disgrace.

 

[harpo_72]

Wow! Anger doesn't even come close.

I live in Spain for, in the main, 2 reasons. The weather and the cost of living. My pension goes about 40% further out here, e.g. my annual council tax bill is less a year than what I paid a month in the UK. And our gas bill is about £6/mth. 25* and sunny today.

I watch English TV, I subscribe to several English papers, I watched the rugby yesterday. I am English, and I hold an British passport. I am eligible for an Irish passport but to apply for one would be for convenience only, and I'm English.

What happens post-Brexit; the state sponsored healthcare many expats rely on ends - we're lucky as we can afford and have private HC. Currently, pensioners see their pensions rise each year as per if they were living in the UK. That ends at the end of the transition period. Why? Brexit is about the UK leaving the EU, so why mess with people's pensions? That's been common knowledge amongst the Expat community for quite sometime but have read of the next paragraph.

And the final 'insult;' on the official Gov.UK website from which expats get a lot of info, as of the end of the transition period British passport holders living outside of the UK will need to apply for a visa to enter Britain. Those British citizens who decide the return to the UK to live after the end of the transition period will have to apply for the right to reside. Really? You've got to be 'kin joking.

Is there an opportunity to have a property in the uk and maintain a connection

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Wow! Anger doesn't even come close.

I live in Spain for, in the main, 2 reasons. The weather and the cost of living. My pension goes about 40% further out here, e.g. my annual council tax bill is less a year than what I paid a month in the UK. And our gas bill is about £6/mth. 25* and sunny today.

I watch English TV, I subscribe to several English papers, I watched the rugby yesterday. I am English, and I hold an British passport. I am eligible for an Irish passport but to apply for one would be for convenience only, and I'm English.

What happens post-Brexit; the state sponsored healthcare many expats rely on ends - we're lucky as we can afford and have private HC. Currently, pensioners see their pensions rise each year as per if they were living in the UK. That ends at the end of the transition period. Why? Brexit is about the UK leaving the EU, so why mess with people's pensions? That's been common knowledge amongst the Expat community for quite sometime but have read of the next paragraph.

And the final 'insult;' on the official Gov.UK website from which expats get a lot of info, as of the end of the transition period British passport holders living outside of the UK will need to apply for a visa to enter Britain. Those British citizens who decide the return to the UK to live after the end of the transition period will have to apply for the right to reside. Really? You've got to be 'kin joking.

Please explain the difference between being a financial immigrant and an 'expat'.

 

[Hobbit]

Not good mate, hopefully it’s something that will change, that’s a disgrace.

The healthcare thing I sort of accept as its part of the EU reciprocal agreements. But disappointing as both Spain and Portugal offered, back in Jan, to continue with healthcare provision if the UK reciprocated - we'll see.

Pensions; why? Quite a number of expats still pay tax in the UK but get nothing, me included.

As for needing a visa to return to the country of my birth, even though I hold UK citizenship. Really!? Which dumbass thought that one up?

 

[drdel]

Wow! Anger doesn't even come close.

I live in Spain for, in the main, 2 reasons. The weather and the cost of living. My pension goes about 40% further out here, e.g. my annual council tax bill is less a year than what I paid a month in the UK. And our gas bill is about £6/mth. 25* and sunny today.

I watch English TV, I subscribe to several English papers, I watched the rugby yesterday. I am English, and I hold an British passport. I am eligible for an Irish passport but to apply for one would be for convenience only, and I'm English.

What happens post-Brexit; the state sponsored healthcare many expats rely on ends - we're lucky as we can afford and have private HC. Currently, pensioners see their pensions rise each year as per if they were living in the UK. That ends at the end of the transition period. Why? Brexit is about the UK leaving the EU, so why mess with people's pensions? That's been common knowledge amongst the Expat community for quite sometime but have read of the next paragraph.

And the final 'insult;' on the official Gov.UK website from which expats get a lot of info, as of the end of the transition period British passport holders living outside of the UK will need to apply for a visa to enter Britain. Those British citizens who decide the return to the UK to live after the end of the transition period will have to apply for the right to reside. Really? You've got to be 'kin joking.

To be brutal its about the same as living and taking up residency in the US, Aussie, Canada, NZ etc.

 

[Mudball]

Another benefit of being in the EU, child care at slave labour rates and much of it for armchair socialists. Suit you Sir.

I seriously have no idea what this means or implies ..

 

[harpo_72]

I seriously have no idea what this means or implies ..

He is having a go about the child minder charging £4/hr thinking that minimum wage is being broken.
What he doesn’t understand is a child minder can look after up to 5 children (might be 1 more). So she runs it like a business at £20/hr ...

 

[Hobbit]

Is there an opportunity to have a property in the uk and maintain a connection

Quite a number of expats do so, so that they can access the NHS. Some of those use their children's address to do so. They are 'flying under the radar' in Spain, and not registered as residents. That way they avoid tax in Spain and some taxes in the UK.

 

[Mudball]

Wow! Anger doesn't even come close.

I live in Spain for, in the main, 2 reasons. The weather and the cost of living. My pension goes about 40% further out here, e.g. my annual council tax bill is less a year than what I paid a month in the UK. And our gas bill is about £6/mth. 25* and sunny today.

I watch English TV, I subscribe to several English papers, I watched the rugby yesterday. I am English, and I hold an British passport. I am eligible for an Irish passport but to apply for one would be for convenience only, and I'm English.

What happens post-Brexit; the state sponsored healthcare many expats rely on ends - we're lucky as we can afford and have private HC. Currently, pensioners see their pensions rise each year as per if they were living in the UK. That ends at the end of the transition period. Why? Brexit is about the UK leaving the EU, so why mess with people's pensions? That's been common knowledge amongst the Expat community for quite sometime but have read of the next paragraph.

And the final 'insult;' on the official Gov.UK website from which expats get a lot of info, as of the end of the transition period British passport holders living outside of the UK will need to apply for a visa to enter Britain. Those British citizens who decide the return to the UK to live after the end of the transition period will have to apply for the right to reside. Really? You've got to be 'kin joking.

(Rhetorically stmt so ignore) so does it mean that you have ‘not integrated’ with the local community and are living in a ghetto and sponging off the state. That seems to be a characteristisation of such immigrate behaviour by some members on the forum.
BTW from your post it looks like you have a UK passport. So I am not sure which knucklehead came up with the idea that you need a permit to enter the UK. You may need a permit/visa to return to Spain after the UK trip. Generally your permit may allow you to stay for short or long duration as per Schengen (or equivalent) rules. Finally I not sure property ownership under current Schengen rules so I am assuming that they will have to come up with some other alternative arrangements to ensure you can continue to keep property in Europe.

 

[Mudball]

He is having a go about the child minder charging £4/hr thinking that minimum wage is being broken.
What he doesn’t understand is a child minder can look after up to 5 children (might be 1 more). So she runs it like a business at £20/hr ...

Oh so normal ‘twaddle’ services have resumed ...

 

[Hobbit]

To be brutal its about the same as living and taking up residency in the US, Aussie, Canada, NZ etc.

Those people that went there knew before they went what their living circumstances would be. Many expats calculated their decision to move based on affordability. Being hit with a €2,000 a year private healthcare bill will mean a number of them are selling up and returning to the UK. Those that decide to stay are losing a significant percentage of their pension.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Another benefit of being in the EU, child care at slave labour rates and much of it for armchair socialists. Suit you Sir.

Eh ?! We pay just under £1000 a month for 4 days a week - that’s far from child care at slave labour rates

 

[Blue in Munich]

The healthcare thing I sort of accept as its part of the EU reciprocal agreements. But disappointing as both Spain and Portugal offered, back in Jan, to continue with healthcare provision if the UK reciprocated - we'll see.

Pensions; why? Quite a number of expats still pay tax in the UK but get nothing, me included.

As for needing a visa to return to the country of my birth, even though I hold UK citizenship. Really!? Which dumbass thought that one up?

Brian, could Spain and Portugal actually offer that? I thought that it had to be all the 27 or none? Not looking to upset you mate, I share a lot of your anger in those arrangements as it wasn’t what I was looking for, just not sure that can actually do it?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Eh ?! We pay just under £1000 a month for 4 days a week - that’s far from child care at slave labour rates

I believe he is refering to au pairs who are paid much lower however they get free meals and board which people forget is worth a lot

Plus it helps them learn the culture etc. It's not a one way street

 

[harpo_72]

Quite a number of expats do so, so that they can access the NHS. Some of those use their children's address to do so. They are 'flying under the radar' in Spain, and not registered as residents. That way they avoid tax in Spain and some taxes in the UK.

I suppose it explains why some come back for 8-10 weeks a year

 

[Hobbit]

(Rhetorically stmt so ignore) so does it mean that you have ‘not integrated’ with the local community and are living in a ghetto and sponging off the state. That seems to be a characteristisation of such immigrate behaviour by some members on the forum.
BTW from your post it looks like you have a UK passport. So I am not sure which knucklehead came up with the idea that you need a permit to enter the UK. You may need a permit/visa to return to Spain after the UK trip. Generally your permit may allow you to stay for short or long duration as per Schengen (or equivalent) rules. Finally I not sure property ownership under current Schengen rules so I am assuming that they will have to come up with some other alternative arrangements to ensure you can continue to keep property in Europe.

We deliberately chose a Spanish village, away from the local tourist spot. We attend Spanish classes. We use the Spanish bars and, deliberately, attempt to use our Spanish even though they speak good English. Throughout the year we go on the pensionistas day trips and weekends away - 95% Spanish. Everywhere we go we use Spanish, falling back on Spanglish when we struggle.

There are 'Brits abroad' that I cringe when I see hear. We're not in that group.

As for sponging off the state; not sure how that correlates to an expat living abroad. Firstly, to qualify for a full UK pension an individual needs to have 35(?) years NI stamps paid. Once those stamps are in, whats the problem? Don't forget, those entitled to a UK pension whilst abroad are not a burden on the NHS. We retired early and won't draw a UK pension for another 7 years but we still pay UK taxes, because of the type of pension I have, and pay Spanish taxes.

Owning a property as a non-resident isn't a problem and won't be post-Brexit. There are restrictions on the length of time anyone can stay in the country, 90 days then 180 days outside the country then 90 days back. For those with Residencia, us, you can stay as long as you want. Getting back into Spain, post-Brexit, won't be a problem. We just show our Residencia card - right to reside.

Don't confuse Residencia with citizenship. To gain citizenship you have to have been a permamente residencia for 5 years, which is 10 years after gaining residencia, and be able to speak Spanish fluently. You also have to pass a test which includes history and culture. And you have to give up your British passport. Spain does not allow dual nationality.

 

[Hobbit]

I suppose it explains why some come back for 8-10 weeks a year

Some do it to avoid July and August. Temps here in southern Spain can hit the 50*s in the sun. I played golf last Aug, and got through 3 litres of water in 16 holes. By the time I walked off the 18th I'd stopped sweating and felt quite ill. "Mad dogs and Englishmen..."

 

[harpo_72]

Some do it to avoid July and August. Temps here in southern Spain can hit the 50*s in the sun. I played golf last Aug, and got through 3 litres of water in 16 holes. By the time I walked off the 18th I'd stopped sweating and felt quite ill. "Mad dogs and Englishmen..."

I know that feeling, did it in Malaysia.. thought it was millionaires golf .. but I was the twit