Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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That’s a fair point but the Tory’s owned Brexit. Voting for anyone else was saying they disagreed with the Tory leave vision. But also was pretty silly if you wanted to leave ..

I didn't see any manifesto pledges that said the Tory version of Brexit was different than Labour's. Apart from some Tory or Labour MPs arguing for anything different, e.g. Ken Clarke, just who in 2017 in the two main parties was vary different? A small minority? They have very much gone their separate ways since without a doubt.

Remember how many Labour voters voted for Brexit, almost a 1/3. I'm just not seeing it the way you are.

Also, if you went up to Sunderland or Teesside as a Tory candidate and offered many of the voters up there the Crown Jewels and exactly the Brexit they voted for they still wouldn't vote Tory. You've only got look look at the different constituencies that have historically voted for one or the other. Add in the ex-mining communities. The vast majority will always vote the same way.
 
That’s a fair point but the Tory’s owned Brexit. Voting for anyone else was saying they disagreed with the Tory leave vision. But also was pretty silly if you wanted to leave ..

So if I'm a die hard lifelong Labour voter who thought May was the Devil incarnate but I still want to leave the EU I should vote Tory...???
What the actual..........:poop:
 
So if I'm a die hard lifelong Labour voter who thought May was the Devil incarnate but I still want to leave the EU I should vote Tory...???
What the actual..........:poop:
There is the challenge and you are going to have to get your head round it ... these are the Brexit battle lines.
 
I didn't see any manifesto pledges that said the Tory version of Brexit was different than Labour's. Apart from some Tory or Labour MPs arguing for anything different, e.g. Ken Clarke, just who in 2017 in the two main parties was vary different? A small minority? They have very much gone their separate ways since without a doubt.

Remember how many Labour voters voted for Brexit, almost a 1/3. I'm just not seeing it the way you are.

Also, if you went up to Sunderland or Teesside as a Tory candidate and offered many of the voters up there the Crown Jewels and exactly the Brexit they voted for they still wouldn't vote Tory. You've only got look look at the different constituencies that have historically voted for one or the other. Add in the ex-mining communities. The vast majority will always vote the same way.
Yup and as in reply to Imurg if you want it you need to embrace the change of strategy
 
Yup and as in reply to Imurg if you want it you need to embrace the change of strategy

I don't want it - it costs me a lot of money every month. And the 'friendly' Spanish administration isn't being so friendly now, as the UK hasn't reciprocated the offer made in March by the Spanish govt on residency rights, driving licences and healthcare.

I'm just asking a series of questions around who voted for what in a GE and why that isn't argued for a rerun but the referendum is. I'm trying to show a different slant and asking why...
 
I don't want it - it costs me a lot of money every month. And the 'friendly' Spanish administration isn't being so friendly now, as the UK hasn't reciprocated the offer made in March by the Spanish govt on residency rights, driving licences and healthcare.

I'm just asking a series of questions around who voted for what in a GE and why that isn't argued for a rerun but the referendum is. I'm trying to show a different slant and asking why...
I can only imagine the issues and it does sound like the ex pat community has been forgotten or has become collateral damage.
But the point was about breaking from the norm and actually seeing the government coming in is just to answer the Brexit question- when that’s done go back to the norm .. if possible.
The truth is, they will all be arguing, a majority party is required or we will have the general dicking about
 
What think Gogglebox is a Gallup poll? No that’s just you. 🙄
Didn’t think it was a barometer but was surprised that no leave views were aired. Given you keep telling us 17.4 million voices means there is a majority.

But Farage and Mogg have preyed on the gullible ..
 
Yes the Main Stream Media, aka the weapons of mass deception....(You know they love gullible people who think gogglebox is some sort of barometer of Britain!😂🤣😂)
Christ, you sound like you’ve Just read the Donald Trump whinger’s playbook...😩😩😫
 
Didn’t think it was a barometer but was surprised that no leave views were aired. Given you keep telling us 17.4 million voices means there is a majority.

But Farage and Mogg have preyed on the gullible ..

I wasn’t, the establishment is 100% behind remain. Stifling the view of leavers is all part of the MO.
 
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