Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[clubchamp98]

The EU is going to hold a referendum.. to see is they should let UK remain.. what if they say they don’t want us??

It might be a two part question .
Do you want the UK in the EU.?
Do you want the UKs money in the EU.?

Just on that ,I have always wondered what the answer would be if the English were asked if Scotland should be independent.
Wales and NI to follow.

 

[Mudball]

It might be a two part question .
Do you want the UK in the EU.?
Do you want the UKs money in the EU.?

Just on that ,I have always wondered what the answer would be if the English were asked if Scotland should be independent.
Wales and NI to follow.

BoJo’s deal has taken care of part of it.. NI stays in EU Union and stays out of UK Customs.. so effectively devolved for trade purposes. I am assuming FoM between NI and GB may also be restricted after some time

 

[clubchamp98]

BoJo’s deal has taken care of part of it.. NI stays in EU Union and stays out of UK Customs.. so effectively devolved for trade purposes. I am assuming FoM between NI and GB may also be restricted after some time

I don’t think the politicians will be asking the voters any more questions for a long time after they have sorted Brexit.
SNP might if she gets her way.

 

[Foxholer]

Why would I want to accept something I know is fundamentally bad for Britain with regards to our closest trading bloc?
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Because, notwithstanding my belief that trade will not suffer 'fundamentally', merely a short term dip and may even emerge better than , if you don't, you are 'denying democracy' and don't deserve to have any say!
All the rest is simply (classic) negativity!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Worth a read if you think the “Workers” will be looked after once we leave the EU.
https://www.ft.com/content/5eb0944e-f67c-11e9-9ef3-eca8fc8f2d65

 

[Deleted member 21784]

 

[Foxholer]

But you should add 'All Black supporters - back to 8:59 this morning'!

 

[Deleted member 21784]

But you should add 'All Black supporters - back to 8:59 this morning'!

Lol need to edit it.. boris was never that popular lol

 

[Mudball]

Because, notwithstanding my belief that trade will not suffer 'fundamentally', merely a short term dip and may even emerge better than , if you don't, you are 'denying democracy' and don't deserve to have any say!
All the rest is simply (classic) negativity!

How short is short? Current Govt economic model based it at 15 years - to an untrained eye that is a generation.
15 yrs for a 50+ impacts social care and NHS and environment etc.
15 yrs for someone leaving college means over a decade of low paying jobs, no jobs, housing challenges etc..

This is a choice against a working system - albeit not a perfect one

 

[Foxholer]

How short is short? Current Govt economic model based it at 15 years - to an untrained eye that is a generation....

I'd set 'a generation' at 25-30 years. Average age of a woman at birth of 1st child is 30 (surprisingly high to me).

'Short' term, for me, is up to 1 Election cycle - 5 Years. 'Near term', for me, is up to 2 Election cycles. Comparison to Election cycle is deliberate - as thats what politician's focus is on!

 

[Fade and Die]

I'd set 'a generation' at 25-30 years. Average age of a woman at birth of 1st child is 30 (surprisingly high to me).

'Short' term, for me, is up to 1
Election cycle - 5 Years. 'Near term', for me, is up to 2 Election cycles. Comparison to Election cycle is deliberate - as thats what politician's focus is on!

According to the SNP it’s 5 years. 👍

 

[Hitdaball]

https://news.sky.com/story/violence...rexit-say-majority-of-voters-in-poll-11843952

Appalling from both sides of the fence.

 

[Mudball]

I'd set 'a generation' at 25-30 years. Average age of a woman at birth of 1st child is 30 (surprisingly high to me).

'Short' term, for me, is up to 1 Election cycle - 5 Years. 'Near term', for me, is up to 2 Election cycles. Comparison to Election cycle is deliberate - as thats what politician's focus is on!

by that definition and by Govt calculations, you are looking at Mid-Long term Disruption and setbacks before the UK regains it’s current position.. from there another few election before it starts growing. I am not sure about you, but that to me looks like the rest of my productive working career wiped out ..

 

[harpo_72]

https://news.sky.com/story/violence...rexit-say-majority-of-voters-in-poll-11843952

Appalling from both sides of the fence.

Totally, people are deeply frustrated. Each side is winding each other up. I would like or hope that there is a sensible majority leave or stay who will prevail. Leaving without a plan is stupid as is remaining without a strategy.

 

[clubchamp98]

https://news.sky.com/story/violence...rexit-say-majority-of-voters-in-poll-11843952

Appalling from both sides of the fence.

As bad as some MPs are there is never room for violence.

 

[clubchamp98]

Totally, people are deeply frustrated. Each side is winding each other up. I would like or hope that there is a sensible majority leave or stay who will prevail. Leaving without a plan is stupid as is remaining without a strategy.

If they eventually overturn the ref I can see it getting worse .
The MPs are bad but some take it to far.

 

[Old Skier]

Funny though it seems, but every time I watch gogglebox and Brexit comes up .. none are in favour and given that 17.4million voted for it why are they not on there as the majority?? Oh well

Perhaps googlebox is the measure of a remainers mentality

 

[harpo_72]

Perhaps googlebox is the measure of a remainers mentality

Was waiting for that .. but we are not seeing very many of the 17.4 Million breaking cover apart from a select few on here.

 

[harpo_72]

If they eventually overturn the ref I can see it getting worse .
The MPs are bad but some take it to far.

Yes if we read the stats from that report there is a higher prevalence to violence from the Leave side .. and it’s bigger than the winning % ..

 

[Foxholer]

by that definition and by Govt calculations, you are looking at Mid-Long term Disruption and setbacks before the UK regains it’s current position.. from there another few election before it starts growing. I am not sure about you, but that to me looks like the rest of my productive working career wiped out ..

My 'Near Term' definition (as opposed to my earlier 'short term description' - noting the different terms) would seem more appropriate to me, though dealing with the EU always seems to take longer than it should, so maybe heading toward 'Mid Term'.
I'd challenge how, following an assumed dip, UK can 'regain its current position' without growing!
Also Brexit, however significant any dip might be, is hardly likely to 'wipe out' a 'productive working career' - except maybe for some whose career is dealing with th EU!

Brits won't suddenly get poorer because of Brexit (or even No Brexit)! But different bits of the economy are likely to be affected differently, some negatively; others positively.

Btw. I'm 66, so likely even further along the 'productive working career' path!