Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Old Skier]

It looks like he voted with the government both times https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/
Unless I'm reading something wrong.

 

[ger147]

It looks like he voted with the government both times https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/
Unless I'm reading something wrong.

Yep, you're spot on. I didn't look up his 2nd vote, just assumed from Hobbit's post that he had voted against the timetable as I knew he had voted in favour of the bill.

Apologies, my mistake.

 

[Hobbit]

Yep, you're spot on. I didn't look up his 2nd vote, just assumed from Hobbit's post that he had voted against the timetable as I knew he had voted in favour of the bill.

Apologies, my mistake.

I got it from the Beeb website. They listed the Labour MP's who voted with the govt and the Tory MP's who voted against the Govt. Letwin was on that list.

 

[Old Skier]

I got it from the Beeb website. They listed the Labour MP's who voted with the govt and the Tory MP's who voted against the Govt. Letwin was on that list.

What have we told people about believing the BBC

 

[ger147]

I got it from the Beeb website. They listed the Labour MP's who voted with the govt and the Tory MP's who voted against the Govt. Letwin was on that list.

Old Skier's link above is also the one I use. Every vote is listed on the HoC's website with how every MP voted each time, very handy resource if you're a saddo like me

 

[Slime]

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Ken Clarke seems to be the only politician in England who knows what occurring.
Says, Johnson's government could not successfully run a whelk stall.

 

[Colonel Bogey]

Ken Clarke seems to be the only politician in England who knows what occurring.
Says, Johnson's government could not successfully run a whelk stall.

??? It's being stuck trying to sort Brexit. Just how do YOU suggest they do it? All Corbin does is say the opposite of whatever Boris says no matter what it is.

 

[ger147]

View attachment 28403

I still prefer this one...

 

[Foxholer]

But did that not come about through May asking the EU to change their offer from NI-only to all-UK? Because for May any form of NI/UK border control was totally unacceptable.

Indeed it did. But there are 'new' elements (relating to Customs Union) that are actually in BoJo's deal that - as far as I know because offers and 'the deal' was kept very quiet throughout the entire negotiations.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

??? It's being stuck trying to sort Brexit. Just how do YOU suggest they do it? All Corbin does is say the opposite of whatever Boris says no matter what it is.

I have said from 2016 that they will not be able to sort it out because of NI.
Nobody on the Leave side took any notice of the NI border situation.
From a UK perspective if The Tories had listened to the Scots and NI politicians an agreement for England and Wales to Leave the EU would probably have been possible.

 

[chrisd]

I have said from 2016 that they will not be able to sort it out because of NI.
Nobody on the Leave side took any notice of the NI border situation.
From a UK perspective if The Tories had listened to the Scots and NI politicians an agreement for England and Wales to Leave the EU would probably have been possible.

If the Tories had a majority there would be no issue it'd be done and dusted. Best Boris goes for a longer extension, wins a GE with a workable majority and then leaves with no deal the next day

 

[Mudball]

I have said from 2016 that they will not be able to sort it out because of NI.
Nobody on the Leave side took any notice of the NI border situation.
From a UK perspective if The Tories had listened to the Scots and NI politicians an agreement for England and Wales to Leave the EU would probably have been possible.

Interesting.. so devolution and Brexit at the same time. Could London also opt out of England? It could become a bigger Liechtenstein in the process ..-also the M25 acts as a natural customs border

 

[Foxholer]

BoJo in the House is telling us that if his Deal is voted down or amended then he's pulling it and GE here way come. Not sure how he'll engineer that but I'm sure he has a Cumming Plan.

I believe he could instigate a 'vote of no confidence'!

 

[woody69]

Thats not correct. Under the new arrangements NI will leave the Customs Union the same as the rest of the UK. Some special arrangements will be made to allow certain goods to be in a regulatory arrangement with The ROI , I think its food and Industrial goods by memory. This was not the deal in the May arrangement, under that they originally wanted only NI to be in the backstop and May suggested it should apply to the whole of the UK.

I'm not sure what you are saying isn't correct? I never said the arrangement to have the backstop in the Irish sea was in the May arrangement. That was the offer made by the EU to May and she rejected it and the EU conceded to include the whole of the UK, so it effectively means that for all Boris' bluster and negotiation he has effectively agreed with the EU something they already offered to us and we rejected as being undemocratic and unconstitutional.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If the Tories had a majority there would be no issue it'd be done and dusted. Best Boris goes for a longer extension, wins a GE with a workable majority and then leaves with no deal the next day

If he had a majority can you explain where would that have left NI. ?

 

[harpo_72]

Do you think he will get a majority at a GE ??

 

[woody69]

Do you think he will get a majority at a GE ??

I'm not so sure. Depends how he plays it, but he will lose some votes to the Brexit party who will no doubt be campaigning on no deal. I'd predict hung parliament with Lib Dems as the kingmakers.

 

[robinthehood]

I'm not so sure. Depends how he plays it, but he will lose some votes to the Brexit party who will no doubt be campaigning on no deal. I'd predict hung parliament with Lib Dems as the kingmakers.

Surely the SNP have to feature, they have quite a few seats

 

[IanM]

I don't get how one bit can be approved, but not the timeline.... oh yes, the timeline ends with us leaving. That's the bit they are blocking!

My prediction still stands