harpo_72
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Because they are the majority... but you can go if you want to Australia is just a flight away.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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chrisd
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Great trolling !
They weren’t when the vote was but they just can’t accept losing so will do everything they can to overturn the result.
ColchesterFC
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That may or may not be true now but unfortunately we weren't in the majority when it actually mattered among those who could be bothered to vote in the referendum.
He’s out from under his bridge early today
Don’t confuse him with facts
harpo_72
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You had a chance to give May a majority to take Brexit through. She did not get it. Farage didn’t stand to see his handy work through.
The referendum was half a job, and you have had plenty of opportunity to finish the task. However you haven’t and the lies have been flushed out throughout this 3 year period of phaffing and leavers failing, yes failing to deliver on their promises. The remainers haven’t stopped you, you have failed, stop passing the buck and get it right you failed. Now your clinging to a bad deal desperately to save face.
The referendum was half a job, and you have had plenty of opportunity to finish the task. However you haven’t and the lies have been flushed out throughout this 3 year period of phaffing and leavers failing, yes failing to deliver on their promises. The remainers haven’t stopped you, you have failed, stop passing the buck and get it right you failed. Now your clinging to a bad deal desperately to save face.
harpo_72
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Thanks black shirt.
Slime
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Might be a bit amusing if the vote is tied and the Speaker casts the deciding vote.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/are-you-being-served/#comments
And Scotland does not even get a chance to drink at the last chance saloon.
This isn't all about Scotland.
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To clarify - it’s not the people who voted to leave that have “failed†so I would suggest you change your language and this whole thing has a long way to go yet. The only thing that stops Brexit of some form is revoking Art 50 and that doesn’t appear to be on the table right now.
Slime
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How can you say the remoamers haven’t stopped it when they’ve done nothing but whinge and whine and go to court to stop the result being implented.
Slime
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Who the hell is you?
Are you referring to me?
Me thinks you're sounding a tad angry and somewhat bitter.
I suggest you take a deep breath.
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It also doesn’t help anything when people who voted to leave keep using phrases like “remoaners†- people can’t point fingers at others when they are no better themselves
Let’s make it clear - the public had one vote , just one three years ago and we voted on our own feeling at that time. Just because people voted one way or the other doesn’t mean derogatory labels can be used against them.
Now since that vote it’s up to the political parties to sort out enacting the way people voted - people who voted leave can’t do it and people who voted remain can’t stop it - simple as that , the only people with the power are the politicians
You only have to look at the way the political parties are treating each other to see how much this whole sorry mess has caused mayhem to the nation , and this thread is a snapshot of that - we are split as a nation and that split imo is now permanent whatever happens now
A binary choice where is was majority onlt was always going to cause the issues we see
Our politicians can’t sort out a deal to leave the EU - god help the country if we are trusting this lot to shape our future.
Blue in Munich
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You almost got that right Phil, but it's more that our politicians won't sort out a deal because it doesn't suit their personal agendas. They couldn't give a flying fandango about the referendum result.
Foxholer
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That is indeed the case - at least for the 'honest' ones
! But how many of them were simply using the 'must stop No Deal' banner merely as a way to stop ANY deal - with the hope/intention to force another referendum that gets a Remain result? I know my MP is likely to do so - but that won't stop me voting for HIM should he decide to stand next GE.I stated VERY early on that 'Ireland' (and Irish politicians) was going to be he stumbling block (bloc?!
) in making a deal - not just because of geography, but because Good Friday Agreement involves the EU as an arbiter! And getting (both sets of) Irish politicians to agree anything is a mammoth task!BoJo is unconvincing about his (rash, but a good soundbite) claim of 'No border in the Irish Sea', kludge-ing his way around the question in the LK interview I watched. He'll waffle his way round that though and I don't see much of a problem with the proposal - given the commitment to a 'clean' border on the mainland. There'll be scope for technology to be used/developed and, imo, the priority was to agree a workable method, not a perfect solution. The 'periodic review' acts as a good carrot too.
I don't think this is a 'bad deal' like May's one was. As far as I can see, it's a pretty 'clean', if in stages break. May's deal had the potential for the EU to prevent UK from leaving, so WAS a 'bad deal'! The waffle about French wine producers, German car producers etc was merely part of the 'selling' of Leave in the first place, so is pretty irrelevant to a 'deal'.
I don't believe the WA was really ever 'totally closed'. That was merely a negotiation strategy. I believe BoJo (and the negotiating team) merely used a different strateg - the threat of No Deal' to get it tweaked. That's simply how 'diplomacy' works! But he's likely to take (rather unwarranted imo) credit for 'getting it done!
Workers rights etc are a fundamental reason why Leaving EU became such an issue imo. While I believe the EU rules are sensible (and indeed minimial standards!), the 'UK laws for the UK' slogan was a powerful banner. To keep such items under EU control would not be deemed 'leaving' by those 'more to the right' than me!. It's now up to Unions to maintain equivalence through negotiation in that regard.
I'm not certain BoJo will actually get 'his' deal through. Nor am I certain that All Blacks will beat the Irish! In both cases, I'll be on the golf during the event, simply hoping it, and some decent golf, happens!
clubchamp98
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And changed the law halfway through Benn act.
I would like all choices on the table .
Can we have an amendment to take Remain off the table?
chrisd
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Spot on Rich. It's a contrived effort so as not to leave , it really has nothing to do with no deal. These MP's will, I hope, get their comeuppance at the soon to come, General Election.
chrisd
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Are you special needs ?
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No doubt and if we leave on a No Deal are people comfortable with these same people looking after our future ?
To be replace by who ?
And do you think some are doing it because they think it’s what is best for the country ? We vote these people in to look after our nation - so if some believe that’s exactly what they are doing then can we really point fingers ?
These guys apparently are the ones with all the information, the understand the risks - are they in a better place to judge the situation that the man on the street
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