Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Based on the assumption that a general election will follow the conclusion of Brexit, a referendum is not a bad thing. At least any party taking office will be partially absolved of being beaten with every issues that arises from Brexit and gets something of a clean start
 
Hacker Khan said:
He may argue that the more free market capitalists that seem to be very prominent in the Brexit campaign may well have a vested interest in reducing workers rights, where being in the EU means that they will be more protected. I could not possibly comment.

But as an aside I work for a global company that has offices in the EU, UK and the US. And when we need to make redundancies it is usually the US that bears the brunt as you can literally get rid of people that day and out they walk with their cardboard box. In many EU countries it is very difficult to make people redundant and in general the UK is somewhere in the middle. And I certainly know which system I prefer. Companies need the flexibility to get rid of people but walking into work and then walking out an hour later having been made redundant with a mortgage to pay and family to support is brutal. And I hope we do not go down that path so a few ultra capitalists and hedge funds can make a few more millions of pounds.
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Thing is, this plays both ways. Outside of the EU, if labour get in power they are free to introduce the most stringent set of work rights going should they so wish, far beyond any EU obligations. It just seems counter intuitive to argue that the deal that removes us from the EU is not acceptable because it does not tie us to EU worker regulations.
 
.. Now that we have achieved the impossible .... Get a Deal.
.. Now for the easy bit - get the MPs to vote on a deal that they have not seen yet (and give DUP loads of money/promises - which can be broken later). We should be done soon

Can i have my truffled slightly well done but leave the steak medium...
 
Mudball said:
.. Now that we have achieved the impossible .... Get a Deal.
.. Now for the easy bit - get the MPs to vote on a deal that they have not seen yet (and give DUP loads of money/promises - which can be broken later). We should be done soon

Can i have my truffled slightly well done but leave the steak medium...
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😂😂😂 are you a wind up ?

Achieve the “impossible” - did May not also agree a deal with the EU ?

And you think getting the MP’s to agree is the easy bit 😂😂😂
 
patricks148 said:
shame he's not an MP then:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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...and he is keeping awfully quiet at the moment.

Update - '"It's just not Brexit...It binds us in to so many other commitments and it should be rejected"

And as many will listen to him and his acolytes - the HoC passing of this agreement would, I fear, not put us very far down the road of national reconciliation.
 
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What is possible is that all of the posturing about no deal and leaving on 31st could work in both directions. The media has reported it as being a tool to pressure Europe into concessions but it applies equally well to Parliament passing a deal. If this is viewed as a choice between deal or no deal, it may get the support. The spanner in the works are those still looking for no brexit at all.

As I mentioned before, I think it will pass but only with an amendment requiring a public vote so as Labour cannot be blamed for voting for the deal if they ever get into power.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
😂😂😂 are you a wind up ?

Achieve the “impossible” - did May not also agree a deal with the EU ?

And you think getting the MP’s to agree is the easy bit 😂😂😂
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Apologies... I should have added the mandatory smiley faces at the end
 
GB72 said:
Thing is, this plays both ways. Outside of the EU, if labour get in power they are free to introduce the most stringent set of work rights going should they so wish, far beyond any EU obligations. It just seems counter intuitive to argue that the deal that removes us from the EU is not acceptable because it does not tie us to EU worker regulations.
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Possibly, but for the immediate future I very much doubt Labour will get in power with the team they have at the top now. let's face it, they have been opposing the worst shower of incompetence that the Tories have had in a long time and have not even landed a blow really. So a big deregulation of workers rights is much ore likely than an increase in regulation IMHO. After all, isn't that what Brexit's about, freeing ourselves from the over regulated shackles of the EU. Apparently.
 
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Juncker tells me there ‘must be no prolongation- it has to happen now’ - has Johnson persuaded EU to say it’s genuinely this deal or no deal - no delay?
 
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Juncker tells me there ‘must be no prolongation- it has to happen now’ - has Johnson persuaded EU to say it’s genuinely this deal or no deal - no delay?
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Let be honest the EU aren’t going to want the UK to walk away without a deal in place because of the level of funding they would lose , if the deal doesn’t go through I have no doubt there will be an extension but a longer one
 
ger147 said:
So it's deal or no deal time according to Juncker. Say what you like about Boris but he's playing a blinder here IMO.
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A blinder that ends up with the UK agreeing a deal very arguably worse than May's. Top stuff BoJo. But that is how he'll have it presented. It's all about Boris after all. So yes - he has played a blinder for himself. HoC approves it - BoJo the PM who took UK out of the EU - GE win for BoJo; HoC blocks it - BoJo the PM who agreed the deal but had it blocked - GE win for BoJo. Win-Win for BoJo. Not so sure about the rest of us.

And it appears that what Juncker said about 'deal or no deal time' is not quite as unambiguous as some would have it.
 
This deal is effectively the same deal that May rejected 3.5 years ago as a solution from the EU, saying it wasn't acceptable as it annexed NI from the rest of the UK and most of the rest of it is exactly the same.
 
I'm hoping they agree a deal only for a small EU country to veto it.

Weeks later a special trade deal is agreed with said country that more than covers the loss our withdrawal would have gotten them....

It's about time it was done. Deal or out. We could put a 6 year timetable down and won't agree something.
 
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@bbclaurak
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Juncker tells me there ‘must be no prolongation- it has to happen now’ - has Johnson persuaded EU to say it’s genuinely this deal or no deal - no delay?
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And his next words were If we have a deal. We have a deal There is no need for a prolongation. That’s not only the British view it is my view as well'. The lovely Laura has then tweeted 'Important to know it is not up to Juncker to give an extension or not - but this is clear sign eu leaders willing to pile pressure on MPs to avoid one '

Which to me sums it up, no exact mention of no deal, but cleverly worded that they can still give an extension but Junker strongly wants the UK parliament to agree the deal. Indeed the Sky political correspondent has said 'About to get on a plane back but just on Juncker’s words on extension. EU source says: “It’s not in his gift to rule it out, he is just defending the deal and saying one shouldn't be needed...I am 100% certain EU27 would permit an extension if deal falls on Saturday.” "Clearly that’s not to say this isn’t helpful for Number 10, it is. Shows Commission wants this done, no mean feat they’re working with Downing St given relations were previously so cold. But highly highly doubtful that if deal goes down it means no extension."
 
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ger147 said:
So it's deal or no deal time according to Juncker. Say what you like about Boris but he's playing a blinder here IMO.
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Or as someone on twitter said 'Again fascinating Boris Johnson has played almost exactly Theresa May’s strategy. Run down the clock, keep it secret so it can’t be derailed, then tell MPs it’s Deal or No Deal. Is she the woman whose plan was scorned until a man repeated it? Or is it a plan bound to fail?
 
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