Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Hobbit said:
A piece from the Beeb's website of the various polls. Some widely differing responses BUT what did shock me was the number who voted Remain 2016 that have switched to Leave. Various people have shouted from the roof tops that some Leavers have changed their mind and want to Remain but there's hardly been a whisper about the number of Remainers that have switched. Very surprisingly there's more 2016 Remainers switched than 2016 Leavers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50043549
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Following on from this...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/biggest-s...in-still-wants-to-leave-the-eu-183632737.html

And all we've been hearing for the past three years is people have changed their minds since the first referendum :unsure:. In reality only the losing side having been shouting from the rooftops about this, the winners have in the main been sitting quietly waiting for the result to be enacted.
 
Aren't we just where were a few months ago with TMay? Just in this case the PM is the mate of the ERG so they will back the deal for no other reason than that, and the DUP are still playing hardball. Plus ca change as we will probably not be allowed to say soon...
 
Beezerk said:
Following on from this...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/biggest-s...in-still-wants-to-leave-the-eu-183632737.html

And all we've been hearing for the past three years is people have changed their minds since the first referendum :unsure:. In reality only the losing side having been shouting from the rooftops about this, the winners have in the main been sitting quietly waiting for the result to be enacted.
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Everyone pollster has been stating that people would mostly vote the same. The only potential changes would really be essentially down to people who have died since who statistically would have been more likely to vote leave, and people who are now eligible to vote who weren't then who statistically are more likely to vote remain (and that's not to say every old person voted to leave/young person voted to remain, just statistically there was a correlation due to age. Also it may well be that the people who are now eligible to vote still can't be arsed to do it)

Yes there will be some swapping of views as inevitably there would have been some people who were pretty undecided at the time of the referendum, and subsequent events/lack of events/ would have made a people change sides. But taking individual examples of someones cousin now wanting to remain as we've cocked the negotiations up or someone who voted remain now wanting to leave as it is clear the EU are bullies building their own army is so statistically insignificant it is laughable.
 
Hobbit said:
Pretty sickened by England... why?

Are you pretty sickened by the 36% of Scots who voted Leave too, or is it only the English you’re sickened by? Freudian slip or the real chip on the shoulder Scot shining through?
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You'd really have to ask his French barber who was the one, I believe, was 'pretty sickened by England...'!
 
Blue in Munich said:
And so you continue your snide insinuations that all Brexit voters are knuckle dragging racists whose sole motive is the removal of every foreigner from our shores; why don't you do us all a favour and give it a break? Your attitude is beneath contempt.
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I am telling you of the thoughts of a French citizen working in the UK. As far as he was concerned Brexit had done it's job and he was off. And it is I believe a simple and unfortunate fact that - for some one - a reduction in EU27 nationals in the UK is a priority of Brexit. It is unfortunate that some perpetuate the myth that all Remain voters think all Leave voters are racists - we don't.
 
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chrisd said:
It's a tad lower than that BIM.

I've started to really enjoy seeing SILH getting ever more upset as, hopefully, Brexit gets ever nearer
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Why do I think Brexit is a bad idea? Because I believe that it will harm those least able to cope; the poorer and the disadvantaged. I find it hard to think there is anything funny about having such a concern.

And as I have mentioned - in many ways I rather hoped that today would see things done and a deal agreed upon that parliament would be able to accept. And when I heard that the DUP are currently likely to block the deal I actually found myself rather dismayed.

Then I heard a couple of hardliner Leavers call it BRINO - a surrender deal - unacceptable. And so I wonder why on earth I'd support a Deal that would not be acceptable to many Leave voters and so the anger and division and Farage whining would continue, It's nuts and depressing.
 
If Boris’ deal is good, why is he giving two figs about the DUP ? smacks of desperation and a deal that is not meeting the promises he made .. I can’t believe he has lied .. again.

Just for a laugh let’s quote Greta .. “you have stolen all my dreams” bit melodramatic I know but quite applicable!


What a bunch of used car salesmen.. that pretty much sums up the ERG.
The DUP are taking the mick out of the Tory party and ransoming this country , how much could we have ploughed into the NHS instead trying to make Arlene look shaggable??
 
Ah - though maybe not - is #10 trying to bounce the DUP into acceptance as word from DUP source is that position has not changed. Even although Johnson and Juncker are both tweeting that DUP are on board. What a shambles.
 
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