Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Mudball said:
we are out!! Welcome to the new world.. well done BoJo
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Don't forget that we've been here before with the previous deal. Still got to be voted through a remain HoC. Many remainers will now be forced to show their true colours and admit that rather than stop a no deal Brexit they actually want to stop Brexit.
 
Didn’t the EU also agree a deal with May ? So what’s actually changed from the UK point of view ? It still needs to go through HoC and that appears not to seem likely to happen ?
 
I'm going to a tradeshow in Germany in 3 weeks time. If this deal does not go through I am expecting a lot of meetings where customers tell me they will be expecting me to cover the tariff costs or will be looking to buy from the mainland only. It will be grim. I have had preliminary email along these lines already. If it does go through it will be an entirely different experience, possibly involving a good deal of cheering and hugging (that may just be me :D)

Don't balls it up now parliament :mad:
 
harpo_72 said:
What about the 20 rejects as well ...? Or am I thinking they will vote to save their careers and drop the ideals
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Suspect the DUP will swing it. If they are on board then the more hardliners in ERG will come on board and the 20 rejects will more than likely also come on board, bit if a snowball effect. If the DUP do not come on board this may well spook some of the ERGers and lead to a snowball of resistance across the house. You also have a few wildcards in labour who may go either way despite being whipped to an inch of their life to reject it. But a lot may change before Saturday. If I am a betting man I suspect it will squeek through.

So after 3 years, 3PMs and a general race to the bottom when it comes to consensual politics we will have agreed the divorce agreement. Best of luck in getting what really matters within a decade, a trade deal.;)
 
patricks148 said:
What about the Libs??? or the DUP?
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I don't expect any of the hardliners (and that's not a critical term) to support any deal, so expect it is up to a couple dozen of Labour sensibles to get it over the line.

Think the majority of the country would be happy with a moderate deal so we can move on. Who knows, we may revisit it in future, but have to start with something.
 
Expect a few amendments, might we see one proposing a second (confirmation) referendum that now passes, with DUP, labour and the 21 behind it.

I think Boris will regardless now be ready to call an election, he’s in a stronger position to say he’s the only one who can deliver Brexit
 
Best to see what the deal amounts to .. who ever wins the election will inherit it and will pay the price for not delivering all the promised great things.
Boris will be content to inherit his deal and throw caution to the wind, JC and the labour party will not as they have already been pretty well damaged by the Tory press.
I think the Labour party will vote against it if there isn't elements that they can make positive spin with.

The Lib Dems are just against leaving and they will present a formidable force if the election is fought on this deal or remain.
Perhaps a referendum isn't such a bad idea for all parties as it could dictate their election policies going forward.
 
Is this true ?

It would also appear that what has been agreed is illegal. Its in contradiction of Article 55 of the Taxation (Cross Border trade) Act of 2018 which makes it unlawful for the Government to enter arrangements under which NI forms part of a different customs territory to Great Britain.
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Can only see this deal passing with an amendment for a second referendum. Whole thing is frustrating me now. At least the lib dems are being upfront in that they want no Brexit. DUP are just being totally self serving and, as for labour. Corbyn is simply using this as a power grab. If the deal is defeated he can say that the conservatives have failed in their promise. If there is a referendum then he has supported the people having a say. If there is no Brexit he saved the UK from it. All this with no clear comment on what he stands for. He goes on about protecting workers, environment etc but surely after Brexit that is what parliament is there to do. The whole point is to set our own standards not follow Europe.

Anyway, second referendum coming
 
GB72 said:
Can only see this deal passing with an amendment for a second referendum. Whole thing is frustrating me now. At least the lib dems are being upfront in that they want no Brexit. DUP are just being totally self serving and, as for labour. Corbyn is simply using this as a power grab. If the deal is defeated he can say that the conservatives have failed in their promise. If there is a referendum then he has supported the people having a say. If there is no Brexit he saved the UK from it. All this with no clear comment on what he stands for. He goes on about protecting workers, environment etc but surely after Brexit that is what parliament is there to do. The whole point is to set our own standards not follow Europe.

Anyway, second referendum coming
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He may argue that the more free market capitalists that seem to be very prominent in the Brexit campaign may well have a vested interest in reducing workers rights, where being in the EU means that they will be more protected. I could not possibly comment.

But as an aside I work for a global company that has offices in the EU, UK and the US. And when we need to make redundancies it is usually the US that bears the brunt as you can literally get rid of people that day and out they walk with their cardboard box. In many EU countries it is very difficult to make people redundant and in general the UK is somewhere in the middle. And I certainly know which system I prefer. Companies need the flexibility to get rid of people but walking into work and then walking out an hour later having been made redundant with a mortgage to pay and family to support is brutal. And I hope we do not go down that path so a few ultra capitalists and hedge funds can make a few more millions of pounds.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Is this true ?

It would also appear that what has been agreed is illegal. Its in contradiction of Article 55 of the Taxation (Cross Border trade) Act of 2018 which makes it unlawful for the Government to enter arrangements under which NI forms part of a different customs territory to Great Britain.
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If there is a majority for the deal, presumably there is also a majority to repeal that Act? (if the act even prevents the deal, I wouldn't know as I have no clue what it's about)
 
Stop you doubters... This will go thru. BoJo says it is great, it must be great. I am in a trade thingi in Spain a week after that.. I will be beautiful.
 
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