Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hobbit]

After 3 years the EU can't meet another deadline the UK have set? Shocked... not. With a net contribution of £1bn a month does anyone honestly think the EU can cope with losing that amount of money? If you look at the detail of the last deal, which showed reducing structured payments through to Dec 2028, allowing the EU to restructure its budgeting I wonder why the EU is so keen to keep its unruly neighbour?

Oh c'mon! Its about one thing and one thing only. Keeping the EU project afloat.

 

[SocketRocket]

Well if setting deadlines that need to be met to hit a date that our PM says we have to leave by or we'll all be dead in a ditch, or something like that, is bullying then so be it.

He actually said 'he' would rather be dead in a ditch but I guess you already know that.

 

[SocketRocket]

At least they have a strategy. And if their strategy is so transparent then I'm sure anyone negotiating with them would know this, and therefore execute a foolproof approach to getting the upper hand in any negotiations with them.

Correct but if you've been reduced to a 'One armed paper hanger' by your own parliament what choices are open to you.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

As it seems that we might be heading towards a May Mk2 deal I am wondering what our previous PM is thinking of all of this. Indeed I am hearing some whisperings that BJs May Mk2 might actually be worse that May Mk1. What a too-doo. What a stramash. But I am hearing that things might be sorted (if not finalised) by end of today.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Correct but if you've been reduced to a 'One armed paper hanger' by your own parliament what choices are open to you.

Is that the 'One armed paper hanger' who has been painted into a corner by the ERG with May's Lancaster House Red Lines as their template?

 

[SocketRocket]

As it seems that we might be heading towards a May Mk2 deal I am wondering what our previous PM is thinking of all of this. Indeed I am hearing so me whisperings that BJs May Mk2 might actually be worse that May Mk1. What a too-doo. What a stramash. But I am hearing that things might be sorted (if not finalised) by end of today.

Barber or Mate down the Pub.

 

[SocketRocket]

Is that the 'One armed paper hanger' who has been painted into a corner by the ERG with May's Lancaster House Red Lines as their template?

No! Its by a pair of 'Kipper Heads' who cant decide what side they are on but in reality its their own.

 

[clubchamp98]

Where i come from we call it bullying , no one will come out of this smelling of roses , i keep reading we are offering compromises only to be told no, so what do you know , maybe it is best to just walk away and tell this
shower to stick it ,oh and by the way we will keep out £39 billion or however much it is .I bet they will want to talk then .

Hilary Benn won’t let us.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Barber or Mate down the Pub.

Eddie Mair actually, and now being reported on LBC news bulletin. Closing in on a draft agreement. Wonder what it is. No doubt it will square the circle that is 'we know what we voted for' and 'nobody knows what will happen once we have left'. But if it is just May Mk2, a deal that was roundly condemned as BRINO - what will Johnson's agreement be? Just Another BRINO? And somehow this one will be acceptable. Curious.

But if a deal it is and a deal is signed-off - then silver lining is that it is one step along the way of keeping Farage and his Crew out of Westminster.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No! Its by a pair of 'Kipper Heads' who cant decide what side they are on but in reality its their own.

who are they then?

 

[SocketRocket]

Eddie Mair actually, and now being reported on LBC news bulletin. Closing in on a draft agreement. Wonder what it is. No doubt it will square the circle that is 'we know what we voted for' and 'nobody knows what will happen once we have left'. But if it is just May Mk2, a deal that was roundly condemned as BRINO - what will Johnson's agreement be? Just Another BRINO? And somehow this one will be acceptable. Curious.

But if a deal it is and a deal is signed-off - then silver lining is that it is one step along the way of keeping Farage and his Crew out of Westminster.

Lets wait and see what the outcome of the negotiations bring before throwing cold water and sarcasm at it.

 

[SocketRocket]

who are they then?

Have a guess, go on you may even get it right.

 

[Hobbit]

A piece from the Beeb's website of the various polls. Some widely differing responses BUT what did shock me was the number who voted Remain 2016 that have switched to Leave. Various people have shouted from the roof tops that some Leavers have changed their mind and want to Remain but there's hardly been a whisper about the number of Remainers that have switched. Very surprisingly there's more 2016 Remainers switched than 2016 Leavers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50043549

 

[jp5]

Very surprisingly there's more 2016 Remainers switched than 2016 Leavers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50043549

Which stat are you drawing that from?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

A piece from the Beeb's website of the various polls. Some widely differing responses BUT what did shock me was the number who voted Remain 2016 that have switched to Leave. Various people have shouted from the roof tops that some Leavers have changed their mind and want to Remain but there's hardly been a whisper about the number of Remainers that have switched. Very surprisingly there's more 2016 Remainers switched than 2016 Leavers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50043549

...and in some circumstances you could include me in that group.

Because if the deal is not catastrophic then I see merit in accepting that it is best we leave on the basis of that deal - not because I think leaving the EU is a good idea - but because there is a risk that without UK leaving the anger and division in society will not heal very quickly at all. And leaving with a deal that is acceptable to the DUP and the majority of the ERG will go a good way to keeping Farage and the BP out of Westminster.

So when we know the outcome of the discussions with the EU and in the event of a Deal being agreed - if you were to ask me if I wanted the UK to leave the EU then my answer could well be Yes.

 

[Foxholer]

A piece from the Beeb's website of the various polls. Some widely differing responses BUT what did shock me was the number who voted Remain 2016 that have switched to Leave. Various people have shouted from the roof tops that some Leavers have changed their mind and want to Remain but there's hardly been a whisper about the number of Remainers that have switched. Very surprisingly there's more 2016 Remainers switched than 2016 Leavers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50043549

I'm one who has switched from Remain to Leave - on the basis that I accept the result, however achieved!

 

[Taz]

 

[Hacker Khan]

Seems that it is all coming down to how much the DUP will charge the UK taxpayer for their votes and whether politically Boris thinks that is a price worth paying. To get a deal that seems worse with regards to customs and borders than the one he resigned over when TMay tried it.

 

[jp5]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1184364303878643712

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Looks like do or die and dead in a ditch has resulted in LBJ's turn to kick the can.