Foxholer
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Er...(5-)6 years! Started in 2013; in force in Feb 2019.
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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Foxholer
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And the worst of both worlds - tied to and 'under control' of EU with none of the benefits of membership, but hoping to negotiate re-aquisition one of the benefits! A completely daft - and impossible - proposition!
What I believe SR was proposing was negotiation of the FTA BEFORE negotiation of the Withdrawal Agreement. A nice but pie-in-the-sky idea already rejected by the EU!
SocketRocket
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Because the EU rejected it doesnt mean its pie-in-the-sky, the EU, rather like Labour reject everything other than surrender. If it creates a solution to Ireland then its in everyone's interest.
I still disagree with your timeframes on a FTA, there are plenty of templates and we are working from the inside to out which must be easier
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SocketRocket
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Always a poor decision to hold more in stock than you need to. What stock do they hold that has to be written off due to Brexit talks?
robinthehood
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😂😂😂😂 it's a number of issues, not especially just over stock.
Old Skier
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They aren't obliged to vote in favour but if they vote against for purely political aims and not because of any problem with the deal then that won't site well with the public.
Foxholer
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Definition from Dictionary.com.....'A preposterously optimistic goal' ; so seems pretty appropriate to me!
On the FTA front, I simply quoted the ACTUAL real durations between agreement to proceed and implimentation - of FTAs the EU was happy/keen on! Who knows how long one where the implementation would result in a massively contributing member leaving! Again, 'Pie-in-the-sky' seems totally appropriate!
And an FTA will not (fully) be 'a solution to Ireland', nor will a Customs Union! The only 'full' solution is a (hybrid) Single Market - with Freedom of Movement removed!
So more 'Pie-in-the-Sky' seems highly appropriate!
Basically....Nice idea; totally unrealistic! Think again!
robinthehood
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You mean like a large chunk of the Tory party
Doon frae Troon
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If NI are basically allowed to stay in the EU and Scotland are not, expect a few fireworks from north of the border.
Mind you it might be worth the entrance fee to see the DUP voting with the SNP.
Mind you it might be worth the entrance fee to see the DUP voting with the SNP.
SocketRocket
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So you dont want to answer. Why make a statement that they've written off £1.8 million in stock then say its not about stock. 🙄🤯
robinthehood
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It's not because of overstocking.
I'd like to say I payed full attention...
It was to do with product changes and SKUs or something as lots has to change if it's no deal. As the deadline passed but nothing happened the stuff made in preparation was not usable, so it gets scrapped
Hacker Khan
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To be honest mate, I think that ship sailed a long long time ago on both sides.
Grant85
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If NI are basically allowed to stay in the EU and Scotland are not, expect a few fireworks from north of the border.
Mind you it might be worth the entrance fee to see the DUP voting with the SNP.
DUP seem to be strangely positive about the past week or so. Whether they are softening their stance or they are being overly optimistic about what Johnson will agree... I don't know.
Johnson's deal would see NI retain defacto EU membership that could be revoked by DUP giving consent. The EU are simply not going to allow this. Chat yesterday about concession on the British side.
Assumption being that this will change to DUP and Sinn Fein or Stormont AND Dublin must give consent. This is the bit that will not get through parliament.
Even if Boris got every Tory and a few Labour leavers, without the DUP he'd likely be short of a majority given the number of remainers in his own party he has completely alienated - especially the ones like Clarke, Greening, Soames, Grieve, Rudd etc. who won't stand again as Conservatives.
Maybe he can find a way to get the DUP to abstain, but when it comes to voting, they aren't exactly the abstaining types.
Doon frae Troon
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I am starting to believe Cumming's very cunning plan is to lay the blame for failing to 'do or die' at the feet of the DUP.
oxymoron
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https://uk.yahoo.com/news/eu-negotiator-michel-barnier-deadline-brexit-deal-tonight-094344003.html
Nice move , no doubt done in the true spirit of cooperation .
In a negotiation how on earth can one side just turn around and say , right we need your proposal by midnight or not at all , what a shower on both sides of the table .
Or was the UKs side getting too close to a workable solution and the EU(Barnier ?) decided that they may look bad in the long run ? After all we know they dont want
us to leave, sorry i mean our wallets to leave .
Nice move , no doubt done in the true spirit of cooperation .
In a negotiation how on earth can one side just turn around and say , right we need your proposal by midnight or not at all , what a shower on both sides of the table .
Or was the UKs side getting too close to a workable solution and the EU(Barnier ?) decided that they may look bad in the long run ? After all we know they dont want
us to leave, sorry i mean our wallets to leave .
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Erm, to set time limits, to gain the upper hand, to take advantage of the dithering, delusion and weak position of the other side?? Take your pick.
drdel
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Barnier has nowt to loose. He's not answerable to an electorate just wants to protect his 'tough negotiator' reputation with the insiders. The EU's negotiating strategy has been the same over the decades with any serious issue; stonewall, leak and lie.
oxymoron
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Where i come from we call it bullying , no one will come out of this smelling of roses , i keep reading we are offering compromises only to be told no, so what do you know , maybe it is best to just walk away and tell this
shower to stick it ,oh and by the way we will keep out £39 billion or however much it is .I bet they will want to talk then .
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Well if setting deadlines that need to be met to hit a date that our PM says we have to leave by or we'll all be dead in a ditch, or something like that, is bullying then so be it.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
At least they have a strategy.
And if their strategy is so transparent then I'm sure anyone negotiating with them would know this, and therefore execute a foolproof approach to getting the upper hand in any negotiations with them.
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