Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Old Skier]

Agreed, hopefully next time we’ll have a Labour MP voted in as the speaker.

Don't they normally go turn & turn about? Most probably be Jo Swinson as according to Doom it's the only way she could remain an MP, providing she's in post before the phantom election

 

[drdel]

Boris Johnson’s comment referencing Jo Cox was beyond the pale.

It wasn't the PM who brought her name into the debate.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Don't they normally go turn & turn about? Most probably be Jo Swinson as according to Doom it's the only way she could remain an MP, providing she's in post before the phantom election

It’s poison chalice for me, I don’t think anyone can stay 100% impartial all of the time.
Bit like the BBC, both Labour and the tories claim they are bias when it suits.

 

[Taz]

Correct :

https://twitter.com/x/status/1176947508951572482

 

[Old Skier]

Boris Johnson’s comment referencing Jo Cox was beyond the pale.

Perhaps you should hear the FULL interviews on the BBC to get some balance. Both the husband and the sister come out of this with create credit and point the finger at the whole house and condemned the use of Jo's name by both sides.

 

[User62651]

Perhaps you should hear the FULL interviews on the BBC to get some balance. Both the husband and the sister come out of this with create credit and point the finger at the whole house and condemned the use of Jo's name by both sides.

Right of Cox family but you can't get away from the fact it was a poor poor choice of words (again) from a Prime Minister, a good PM would not have gone there. "Best way to honour her memory is by getting Brexit done" - Brexit was the motivation for her killing but Boris Johnson would say that's a worthwhile legacy? Also Brexit was something she strongly disagreed with.

Man was jetlagged and frustrated but it's no excuse, office of Prime Minister is being demeaned daily.

 

[Old Skier]

Right of Cox family but you can't get away from the fact it was a poor poor choice of words (again) from a Prime Minister, a good PM would not have gone there. "Best way to honour her memory is by getting Brexit done" - Brexit was the motivation for her killing but Boris Johnson would say that's a worthwhile legacy? Also Brexit was something she strongly disagreed with.

Man was jetlagged and frustrated but it's no excuse, office of Prime Minister is being demeaned daily.

You could take the sisters take on his response to her name and come to the same opinion as her, she was as annoyed with the female labour MP who bought her name up.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Right of Cox family but you can't get away from the fact it was a poor poor choice of words (again) from a Prime Minister, a good PM would not have gone there. "Best way to honour her memory is by getting Brexit done" - Brexit was the motivation for her killing but Boris Johnson would say that's a worthwhile legacy? Also Brexit was something she strongly disagreed with.

Man was jetlagged and frustrated but it's no excuse, office of Prime Minister is being demeaned daily.

It was a poor poor choice of the woman MP to bring her name up in the first place. BJ was making a response to her name with a second's notice at the end of a long gruelling session , from a succession of labour/liberal members all wanting to say the same thing about the Supreme Court judgment.
BJ and the AG had already given their responses to that, but still they each wanted to say it themselves. Then seeing that they were getting nowhere they suddenly decided they were "offended" by the language of "surrender" bill etc
Which Boris rightly called humbug.
To my mind, what was demeaned yesterday was the title "Right honourable " and "honourable "when applied to MPs

 

[Taz]

They're all at it again by the sound of it.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And now his sister is having a say.
Boris Johnson's language was 'tasteless' - says his sister
http://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-language-was-tasteless-says-his-sister-11819940

 

[Old Skier]

And now his sister is having a say.
Boris Johnson's language was 'tasteless' - says his sister
http://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-language-was-tasteless-says-his-sister-11819940

Just wondering if you have heard the sisters take on the remark where she explains the context she thought it was made in?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Just wondering if you have heard the sisters take on the remark where she explains the context she thought it was made in?

I have mate, can’t find the link were she mentioned the Labour MP though.
She doesn’t mention her in this article.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....son-urged-to-calm-commons-inferno-of-rhetoric

 

[User62651]

It was a poor poor choice of the woman MP to bring her name up in the first place. BJ was making a response to her name with a second's notice at the end of a long gruelling session , from a succession of labour/liberal members all wanting to say the same thing about the Supreme Court judgment.
BJ and the AG had already given their responses to that, but still they each wanted to say it themselves. Then seeing that they were getting nowhere they suddenly decided they were "offended" by the language of "surrender" bill etc
Which Boris rightly called humbug.
To my mind, what was demeaned yesterday was the title "Right honourable " and "honourable "when applied to MPs

With position comes increased responsibility, when a Prime Minster speaks everyone listens, not so for opposition backbenchers. A Prime Minister must do better and rise above the inclination to 'snap' back, something T May was actually pretty good at, as was Cameron before her, they maintained the Office of Prime Minister quite well despite their political troubles.

Putting a flawed character like BJ in charge was never going to go well, the Johnson facade was exposed again yesterday, he is no leader. Copy Trump tactics is the clear directive from Cummings.

There are a lot of Conservative voters not buying into this current direction of their party. 80+ Tory MPs sat yesterday evening stony faced and arms crossed as the PMs directionless rants were underway, they know they have a duff leader.

Any GE is very unlikely to result in a Tory Majority Govt imo so it won't sort the Brexit issue. As for Brexit Party remains to be seen if a decent vote share will actually win seats, didn't for UKIP. First past post hinders fair representation. BP winning seats relies heavily on going into an election with/without having first Brexited, that's what's terrifying Boris Johnson - not getting Brexit done before a GE so losing seats to BP. In that regard still saying he'll not extend Art50 despite it being law. Legal eagles desperately seeking loopholes. Just more bluster from him, deny the facts. Opposition parties have the power of numbers currently and he can't stand it that his 'plan' has gone awry at every turn so far.

 

[Old Skier]

I have mate, can’t find the link were she mentioned the Labour MP though.
She doesn’t mention her in this article.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....son-urged-to-calm-commons-inferno-of-rhetoric

My post is based on her BBC interview

 

[Deleted member 16999]

My post is based on her BBC interview

Tried to find it mate, sorry I didn’t find anything yet.

 

[Taz]

Deluded bitter and twisted sour face, so its no deal then or remain, last chance to have her say before she gets boot and next GE.

Anna Soubry MP
✔@Anna_Soubry

Johnson’s disgraceful offensive language was a premeditated deliberate strategy to drive division & fuel a populist agenda. Mercifully like his unlawful prorogation it’s back firing - uniting Labour, strengthening #RebelAlliance. Difficult to see any deal now getting thru Parly

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

This article explains it perfectly https://commonslibrary.parliament.u...preme-court-on-the-prorogation-of-parliament/

But, to answer your questions...Yes there IS a law/precedent that, in certain situations, prevents it.
But before that The Court(s) had to decide whether it was somthing there could rule on in the first place - whether it was 'justiciable'. The High Court of England and Wales decided they could not; The Supreme Court decided they could - as did the Court of Session (in Scotland).

...and they did not support the government position - though I hear government ministers - James Cleverley this morning being the latest - and leave supporting Tory MPs making that exact claim. It is simply not true that the English court supported the government - yet they continue to mislead and misinform those listening. And as a result we have leave voters claiming the English decision balances out the uk Supreme Court decision - giving them a feeling of right to challenge the Supreme Court decision and to claim it was wrong - following of course the line being pushed by Johnson.

It is a disgraceful way for the utterly shameless bunch comprising the government to behave. They bleat about upholding the will of the people. Humbug!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not much help, but my friend is a TEFL teacher living in Poland and has recently become dual British and Irish for the reasons you mention.
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BiL has no route to any form of dual citizenship. Foxholers suggestion is possible but his potential earnings don’t seem to justify accountants costs and setting up a company; and no idea what @SRs Canadians teaching french fits in- or if indeed it is real. Bottom line remains that Brexit is going to be screwing up his life. Good one.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Agreed, hopefully next time we’ll have a Labour MP voted in as the speaker.

I hear that Pete Wishart has applied for the speakers job.
Promising root and branch changes to parliament plus battered black puddings and Irn Bru in the tea rooms.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I hear that Pete Wishart has applied for the speakers job.
Promising root and branch changes to parliament plus battered black puddings and Irn Bru in the tea rooms.

As an aside - in Perth on Tuesday we passed a city centre chippy advertising deep fried mars bars. And there was me thinking that that was just a myth. A Speaker Wishart would shoorly have to require mps to at least sample the delicacy before they pontificate on the diet of the poorer.