spongebob59
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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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spongebob59
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So its no deal then
Guy Verhofstadt
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The @Europarl_EN will never accept the UK can have all the advantage of free trade, and not aligning with our ecological, health & social standards. We are not stupid! We will not kill our own companies, economy, single market. We will never accept ‘Singapore by the North Sea’!
Guy Verhofstadt
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The @Europarl_EN will never accept the UK can have all the advantage of free trade, and not aligning with our ecological, health & social standards. We are not stupid! We will not kill our own companies, economy, single market. We will never accept ‘Singapore by the North Sea’!
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That's absolute gold, what an incredible audacity these people have. 🤣😆
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To be fair there were a number of very good interventions this morning in the EP, and an awful lot of bad ones too, but only Verhofstadt - from the ones I saw - kept mentioning the importance and strength of "the European project".
And by that at least he is on record for "more Europe" so increased federalism, increased membership, and more transfer of power from national parliament's to Brussels.
Having first hand experience for over 20 years dealing with the Commission, other Member States and the Parliament, the sooner we're out the better. And if that's with no deal then fine with me.
As one of my colleagues from another Member State said to me"Well the UK has never been seen as truly European. But we need your money"!
Old Skier
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I wonder if Jo Swinson remembers the year she was insisting on a vote to leave the EU.
I’m sure the usual culprits will be along soon to say you’re wrong and your EU colleagues were lying
According to the local English speaking newspaper here in Southern Spain the Finnish PM, currently the President of the EU, has said the UK has 12 days to put forward proposals or talks cancelled... see below.
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2019...bkR1joR5qJvf33cWhfyCvml3mGDmgmvU0VdylF5PmHfc0
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2019...bkR1joR5qJvf33cWhfyCvml3mGDmgmvU0VdylF5PmHfc0
SocketRocket
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jp5
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good suggestion for the public to be able to tell parliament what type of Brexit they want!
SocketRocket
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They already did. Leave the EU, Its not a difficult concept to understand.
jp5
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Yes, and do what instead? EEA membership perhaps, such as was being advocated by Leavers before the referendum?
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Now on the UK media as well.
Brexit: UK has 12 days to set out plans - Finnish PM https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49749465
IanM
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So what's new?
May in conjunction with the EU can up with a plan no one would like.
MPs remove our bargaining position (to ensure we stay in)
EU says need a new plan.... not that they will agree to anything other than us continuing to pay our subs.
Boris has no majority in HoC to do anything about it.
Expect Ref 2 in the New Year, And after 4 years of intensive media propaganda and wiful pretence that leaving isnt do-able, a 3 question Referendum to ensure Leave loses will go the way of the EU. And we'll be told how lucky we are.
Shortly followed by the loss of our veto, Sterling and becoming liable for the bailout of Euro Zone Debt. But you were warned.
May in conjunction with the EU can up with a plan no one would like.
MPs remove our bargaining position (to ensure we stay in)
EU says need a new plan.... not that they will agree to anything other than us continuing to pay our subs.
Boris has no majority in HoC to do anything about it.
Expect Ref 2 in the New Year, And after 4 years of intensive media propaganda and wiful pretence that leaving isnt do-able, a 3 question Referendum to ensure Leave loses will go the way of the EU. And we'll be told how lucky we are.
Shortly followed by the loss of our veto, Sterling and becoming liable for the bailout of Euro Zone Debt. But you were warned.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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"It was said we will probably find a solution in two years. But we could also find one in the next 30 days, why not?"
Mr Johnson replied: "You rightly say the onus is on us to produce those solutions, those ideas [...] and that is what we want to do.
"You have set a very blistering timetable of 30 days - if I understood you correctly, I am more than happy with that," he added.
30 days is up tomorrow.
Merkel said it wasn't fixed - but her thinking was that if Johnson had firm ideas of the solution then he should have them by tomorrow - and he seemed to agree. Well maybe they have been presented - though not yet written down so we can't have confirmation one or another - just have to take Johnson's word for it - LOL.
Mr Johnson replied: "You rightly say the onus is on us to produce those solutions, those ideas [...] and that is what we want to do.
"You have set a very blistering timetable of 30 days - if I understood you correctly, I am more than happy with that," he added.
30 days is up tomorrow.
Merkel said it wasn't fixed - but her thinking was that if Johnson had firm ideas of the solution then he should have them by tomorrow - and he seemed to agree. Well maybe they have been presented - though not yet written down so we can't have confirmation one or another - just have to take Johnson's word for it - LOL.
And you can read Merkel's mind? You know what she's thinking?
We're back to you providing everyone with the lottery numbers.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Well what was the 30days about if it wasn't a timescale that Merkel thought reasonable - and that Johnson agreed was.
In any case - latest Camp Johnson utterances are that the EU won't see anything written down until about the 2nd October - after the Tory Party Conference - and that the EU have to be flexible in the talks. UK can keep May's Red Lines but EU has to be flexible. Ah well. EU thought they had done the flexible bit in agreeing to the UK preference for the backstop. The backstop that DRabb now refers to as the anti-democratic backstop. Wonder why he does that. Wormtongue DomCum I suspect.
Anyway - I look forward to reading our backstop proposals - those that can be implemented immediately on 1st Nov.
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So she thought Johnson had firm ideas. So you know she was thinking what Johnson was thinking....
Don't get me wrong Hugh, what I'm trying to get at is what is fact and what is an assumption. I'm not trying to trip you up, only show that guessing is what helps make this mess worse. Lots of people thought there was a £350m money tree for the NHS. There's an element of truth in there, just as no doubt there's an element of truth in Merkel's thoughts, but getting it just a little bit wrong can lead to bigger problems.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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OK - I get that - np. The fact is that Johnson agreed that 30days was an appropriate rough timescale for him coming up with a solution that he could present to the EU.
The EU are saying they don't have one on the table - and that is true, as the UK have said we will not leave anything written down with the EU (because we don't trust the EU not to leak). And so by leak or directly from the government we do not have any detail whatsoever about the solution they will be presenting to the EU on the 2nd and so we must trust that there is a worked solution that can be implemented on 1st Nov.
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The £350m is the funniest thing.
Week one of school economics lesson. If you don't buy that Mars Bar, you can buy something else instead. Your choice.
Week one of school economics lesson. If you don't buy that Mars Bar, you can buy something else instead. Your choice.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Week Two. Don't commit to buying anything in the expectation of monies to come.
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