ColchesterFC
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The losing side will then claim that those voters would have voted for them so actually they won the vote.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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The losing side will then claim that those voters would have voted for them so actually they won the vote.
I think May lost because the Labour campaign was stunningly good, and she was obvious by her absence.
harpo_72
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Yes Corbyn turned it round, but I think he is a lame duck now thanks to the right wing press.
I don’t think there was much difference in what was being offered regards the leave EU message, so leavers were appeased. The next GE will be a little more precise on the details of leave or not.
I am not sure if Corbyn will state his intention, 2nd referendum is cop out and indecisive. Most of the UK voters want a distinct policy ......leave - no deal, leave - deal or remain.. considering Corbyn has a mixture of sentiments in his own party he is pretty much “stuffed†. If he makes a decision he will alienate some of his support. I am sure there is room for a left wing leave party but it won’t necessarily be as popular as the right wing version. So in the end if he doesn’t come up with something special he is just another unpopular union man.
Blue in Munich
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Mate, you really do exaggerate
It was only the will of the 52%, in no vote ever does everybody accept or follow those who win it, the GE will decide if they have or haven’t got a future, but we live in a Democracy and to me that means we don’t silent the opposition or those who think different to me.
All the people of the country were offered the opportunity to vote Paul, the result of that binary vote was to leave, so yes they are proposing to ignore the will of the people.
When we have a GE there are more people who vote against the winning party than for it, yet we accept it as the will of the people.
Blue in Munich
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I’m playing it down as much as you big it up.
If an MP believes with every bone in their body that leaving the EU is a bad thing from minute 1 then I genuinely believe they will never support leaving and rightly so.
Genuine question, if the Government can’t get their own party to agree to the deal they negotiated, why should any other party support them?
Remember, both sides in the referendum promised a deal.
Genuine question mate; if so many believe that it is so bad to leave, why did so many vote to enact Article 50? I'm sorry, but they can't push that through and then all discover a conscience; they should have sorted all this
out before pressing the button.It is just further evidence of their utter incompetence & unsuitability for purpose.
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Wonder if Pettersen was happy playing under an EU flag?
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harpo_72
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Fair point, but if the tables turn will you believe it ? Remember Theresa May could not get a majority and she was mandated to leave. She presented her vision of leave, and the leavers did not give her full support. The remainers did what they were entitled to do and not support her in any shape or form.
If none of the leave parties can form a government with a majority or club together to form one, then the referendum result is just a historical event that caused turmoil and we will stay in the EU.
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“For shamelessly ignoring the democratic will of the people of The United Kingdom†so why would anyone think the SNP should support that when Scotland overwhelmingly voted to stay.
You can respect the vote without agreeing with it.
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Maybe because they trusted TM to enact the will of the people and get us out.Genuine question mate; if so many believe that it is so bad to leave, why did so many vote to enact Article 50? I'm sorry, but they can't push that through and then all discover a conscience; they should have sorted all this
It is just further evidence of their utter incompetence & unsuitability for purpose.
It’s not about conscience it’s about the right deal, the right deal means different things to different people.
I still go back to her and her alone controlling the negotiations, it should of been a cross party team representing the HoC’s.
Just imagine if TM had agreed to the changes JC put forward when they met, in theory we’d be out now as they’d of had to back it.
We're going round in circles. These have been the divisive questions that have clouded the argument since Referendum Day+1. It was a UK wide vote, not a regional or country vote. You'll be saying next that London voted Remain, and London should stay in the EU.
SocketRocket
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I dont like the idea of another referendum, its just not right and just a strategy to reverse the vote which cannot be right. The result just needs accepting.
Even if there was another referendum (and please lets not use the term 'peoples vote' to sentimentalise it) it cannot be fair to have three options, two of them leave and splitting the leave vote.
How about two options: The deal or no deal, that would be fairer as it would respect the last referendum which they all said they would do and get us out.
Even if there was another referendum (and please lets not use the term 'peoples vote' to sentimentalise it) it cannot be fair to have three options, two of them leave and splitting the leave vote.
How about two options: The deal or no deal, that would be fairer as it would respect the last referendum which they all said they would do and get us out.
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Rules.... vote till EU gets its way. Reason enough to want out.
Lib Dims declare that they’ll cancel Brexit if they win the GE. If they do win, will they accept the result?
Lib Dims declare that they’ll cancel Brexit if they win the GE. If they do win, will they accept the result?
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No I’m not mate, I just don’t expect anyone who voted remain to support leaving, I know people like yourself accept the result, but I don’t accept you (or any remainer) should just shut up and go away.
harpo_72
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I agree second referendum is pointless .. let the GE decide. But if a second referendum is called remain has to be offered .. otherwise your marginalising a rather large group of people and it won’t be a case of the people say. It’s a bit like saying let’s all be vegans or vegans that do eggs when quite frankly I want a friggin rib eye.
Reemul
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Yes you don't have to shut up but you do need to accept the vote and move on ,not expect to change the result by any other means. Lets be honest if the vote to remain had won this would have all been forgotten and the leavers would have just moved on.
Blue in Munich
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I don't support Leaving but MY belief is that democracy isn't served till all 3 aspects of a proposal have occurred. "Raise a proposal, vote on the proposal, enact the result of the proposal." All the splitting hairs of was a deal promised etc is just fluff, again in MY mind. The ballot paper had a very distinct question on it - no asterisks saying see para 3b, Deal or No Deal. And for all those who really cared there was plenty of info out there to help them make their choice. And those that really cared got out of bed, into the rain and went and voted. I disagree with their choice but I 100% respect it AND I defend their democratic choice.
Equally, if the passengers on the bus voted to drive over a cliff I'd expect them to change their mind before that vote was enacted. But how do you recognise that without having another referendum, which then just feels so wrong...
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My initial response was F&D about Lib Dem not supporting the vote and wishing to reverse it, they are obviously not ready to accept it and move on.
The reason we haven’t moved as a Country is because Leavers didn’t back TM’s Deal, for some it was not far enough.
There have been plenty of opportunity for us to have left and they’ve been missed.
Obviously, as I voted to Leave I want us out, but I’m not going to keep blaming the remainers because we haven’t.
Blue in Munich
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Her vision of leave was BRINO, tied us to the EU in perpetuity, was a crock of
, choose whichever description you prefer. The reason May couldn't get it over the line was because everyone saw through it; her vision of Leave was to remain.Can you clarify what you mean by the if the tables turn will you believe it comment
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