Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Tashyboy]

Hypothetically, and I don't know the answer to this. What would happen if Boris stepped down and there was another primeminister election within the Conservative party. How long would that take.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Were any of these issues identified by Remain during the campaign prior to the vote or by the MP's prior to voting in Article 50?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Were any of these issues identified by Remain during the campaign prior to the vote or by the MP's prior to voting in Article 50?

I get were you’re coming from, but can only speak for myself, I believe I took a while listening to both sides, read what I could from various resources and came down to the opinion we’d be better of out of the EU with a deal that both benefitted and protected our interests.

I am also intelligent enough to realise we would have to make some compromises as it was highly unlikely we’d get everything in our favour.

I therefore voted Leave with the belief we would leave with a deal.

I doubt I would of voted Leave if No Deal had been on the table.

Putting party allegiances aside, the whole affair since the deal was made public has been an embarrassment.

Very few if any MP’s come out of this with credit and with hindsight I truly wish TM had not called a GE in 2017 as I believe this is were the trouble really began.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I get were you’re coming from, but can only speak for myself, I believe I took a while listening to both sides, read what I could from various resources and came down to the opinion we’d be better of out of the EU with a deal that both benefitted and protected our interests.

That's pretty much where I was, allied with an inherent distrust of Brussels.

I am also intelligent enough to realise we would have to make some compromises as it was highly unlikely we’d get everything in our favour.

I therefore voted Leave with the belief we would leave with a deal.

Same for me.

I doubt I would of voted Leave if No Deal had been on the table.

No deal wouldn't have bothered me in the slightest if it was the best deal for us.

Putting party allegiances aside, the whole affair since the deal was made public has been an embarrassment.

Very few if any MP’s come out of this with credit and with hindsight I truly wish TM had not called a GE in 2017 as I believe this is were the trouble really began.

Fully agree with that, they have been an absolute shambles.

 

[woody69]

Were any of these issues identified by Remain during the campaign prior to the vote or by the MP's prior to voting in Article 50?

Not really. The remain campaign was a disaster. It focused too much on economic risk and jobs and gambling on an unknown. It should have focused more on the benefits being in the Union provides, whilst acknowledging there is room for significant improvement.

The Government should also had a clearer strategy on what a leave vote would actually mean and how the complex issues could be resolved such as the NI border issue. The problem is Cameron arrogantly thought that remain would win easily, and the only reason he called it was to appease the Tory Euro-sceptics that had started to drift over to UKIP, so added it to the Conservative manifesto

 

[Foxholer]

I'm still waiting for remoaners to explain why a trading bloc requires a flag, an army, a president, an anthem, & insists on member states resigning their sovereignty?

Because it's more than a 'trading bloc'!

 

[Old Skier]

I'm still waiting for remoaners to explain why a trading bloc requires a flag, an army, a president, an anthem, & insists on member states resigning their sovereignty?

Normal for a Federal State.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

No deal wouldn't have bothered me in the slightest if it was the best deal for us

Again, I see what you saying, but I think that would only be in hindsight after an unknown period.

You’ve obviously got more bottle than me.

 

[clubchamp98]

Because it's more than a 'trading bloc'!

It never used to be that’s when the problems started.

 

[clubchamp98]

Were any of these issues identified by Remain during the campaign prior to the vote or by the MP's prior to voting in Article 50?

Well the answer to that is NO.

 

[Foxholer]

It never used to be that’s when the problems started.

So?
Change happens! You either live with it, or (attempt to) change it!

 

[clubchamp98]

So?
Change happens! You either live with it, or (attempt to) change it!

David Cameron tried to change it from the inside and got two fingers.
That’s why we are discussing it now.
You can’t change them from within they proved that they don’t want to.

 

[drdel]

Hypothetically, and I don't know the answer to this. What would happen if Boris stepped down and there was another primeminister election within the Conservative party. How long would that take.

I think about 4/5 weeks! I'd assume the new PM, under threat of jail, would have to sign the new law, unless it had been repealed.

 

[Tashyboy]

Looks like Amber Rudd has kicked it in the head.
Looks like John Mann has kicked it in the head.
At least they have an hour to get down the pub.

 

[drdel]

Looks like Amber Rudd has kicked it in the head.
Looks like John Mann has kicked it in the head.
At least they have an hour to get down the pub.

Rudd accepts an offer from BJ and joins the Cabinet, surely she knew exactly what the likely course of action would be and BJ's stance was well publicised - now she bails out !

 

[robinthehood]

Rudd accepts an offer from BJ and joins the Cabinet, surely she knew exactly what the likely course of action would be and BJ's stance was well publicised - now she bails out !

I've read her letter, good on her for telling bj to stick it for the what he's been up to.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Rudd accepts an offer from BJ and joins the Cabinet, surely she knew exactly what the likely course of action would be and BJ's stance was well publicised - now she bails out !

If it’s correct, they are reporting she has resigned over how those who had the whip removed have been treated.

 

[Hitdaball]

Rudd accepts an offer from BJ and joins the Cabinet, surely she knew exactly what the likely course of action would be and BJ's stance was well publicised - now she bails out !

But Rudd is saying she no longer believes that Depfeffel is even trying to get a deal That is her stated reason for leaving no?

Don’t get me wrong I’m sure that members of this forum have more insight into the cabinets current direction than a cabinet member but that is what she is saying.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I think about 4/5 weeks! I'd assume the new PM, under threat of jail, would have to sign the new law, unless it had been repealed.

But between Boris resigning and being replaced we wouldn't have a PM to ask for an extension and the law as it appears to be written is that it is the PM that has to ask for the extension.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Again, I see what you saying, but I think that would only be in hindsight after an unknown period.

You’ve obviously got more bottle than me.

My bigger concern is the allegedly parlous state of some of the other net contributors' economies; I figured we'd be better off running away now and take the chance rather than picking up the bill later.

So maybe less bottle!