Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Lord Tyrion]

Sad to hear of people’s livelihoods already being affected.

It maybe a non-scare story for yourself, but everyone is different and the messages come from local pharmacists both in shops and hospitals near me are not as relaxed.

We only go into a prepared transition period with a deal.

So if they knew she was part of the problem why did the tories keep supporting her and giving her their backing? Was it because they were putting their best interests before the Country

I may be missing something but I don't understand why medicine would be an issue? Why are they different? Order earlier than normal to allow for slight delays and hold ups, stockpile before the leave date. That is what we will be doing, it is what every company I have talked to did before March 31st and will do again when the next deadline comes. If someone knows the answer I am happy to be educated. I've mentioned this in a reply to SiLH on this issue, if you import fresh produce delays are major, if you work on a JIT production line delays are major, if you buy an inert product then a few extra days can be factored in and dealt with.

Regarding your last point, no idea other than protecting their own hides as you mention. There was no logical reason to keep her in place, it was so obvious she had to go.

 

[clubchamp98]

Sad to hear of people’s livelihoods already being affected.

It maybe a non-scare story for yourself, but everyone is different and the messages come from local pharmacists both in shops and hospitals near me are not as relaxed.

We only go into a prepared transition period with a deal.

So if they knew she was part of the problem why did the tories keep supporting her and giving her their backing? Was it because they were putting their best interests before the Country

I think she won a vote of no confidence and could not be removed for a set time after that.!

 

[clubchamp98]

If Boris can get his election then I don't think the last few days have damaged him. If anything it separates him from the other parties quite clearly. He will position the party as the only option if you want to leave. Vote Lab/Lib and the UK could be stuck in this situation for many years to come. He will make the election as the Conservatives being the saviours, 'if only the others were not blocking them'.

Maybe but for some labour voters who want to leave voting conservative is a step to far .
If he sorts that out no problem but I think most would not vote at all.
That’s why I think the Brexit party should still field a candidate against the Tory’s everywhere and not stand aside like the greens did for the Lib Dem’s.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The Brexit party could have quite a role in this. I know they have a tentative agreement not to stand in certain Tory seats, does it work the other way round? In labour, leave seats they may win if the Tories stand aside.

 

[SocketRocket]

Seriously, for how long though, how long until you may/would have to consider redundancies/reduced hours etc.

What about the sick or disabled, where is the guarantee medication will always be available.

I accept we/you/us would never be 100% ready, but expecting the EU to meet and agree changes mid Oct for a 31st Oct deadline is too risky.

Maybe if we hadn’t had a change of PM and summer recess etc it may of been, but not the way things have been done.

Why do you think medicines will not get through UK border controls coming into the UK, it would be our own people stopping them, just like loo rolls and lettuces etc. Maybe someone who is concerned about this can explain how it will become a problem? Also we export lots of medicines to the EU, are they concerned about it?

 

[robinthehood]

Why do you think medicines will not get through UK border controls coming into the UK, it would be our own people stopping them, just like loo rolls and lettuces etc. Maybe someone who is concerned about this can explain how it will become a problem? Also we export lots of medicines to the EU, are they concerned about it?

Seriously... You spend what seems to be your life relentlessly passing comment on brexit , yet are oblivious to the problems a hard brexit would bring?
Staggering.

 

[Hobbit]

I’ve no doubt we’d recover from a No Deal scenario, but listening and reading what the CBI and other business’s plus the Government itself are saying, we (as a Country) are not ready to leave on 31st Oct imo.

But if you read what Mark Carney, the Gov of the Bank of England, has said today it certainly fill me with more confidence. CBI have a vested interest, as does the Gov, but the BoE is a lot more impartial - note, I didn't say impartial.

 

[Taz]

Shes deluded

https://twitter.com/x/status/1169619688856457218

 

[Hobbit]

I may be missing something but I don't understand why medicine would be an issue? Why are they different? Order earlier than normal to allow for slight delays and hold ups, stockpile before the leave date. That is what we will be doing, it is what every company I have talked to did before March 31st and will do again when the next deadline comes. If someone knows the answer I am happy to be educated. I've mentioned this in a reply to SiLH on this issue, if you import fresh produce delays are major, if you work on a JIT production line delays are major, if you buy an inert product then a few extra days can be factored in and dealt with.

Regarding your last point, no idea other than protecting their own hides as you mention. There was no logical reason to keep her in place, it was so obvious she had to go.

Absolutely spot on!!

Lets assume there's a projected 3 day delay. So the NHS orders an extra 3 days supply. That's it! That's all of it, full stop!! Your first delivery, which is 3 days late arrives on day 4. The delivery that was due to arrive on day 2 now arrives on day 5. And the delivery that was due to arrive on day 3 arrives on day 6. Extrapolate that out and what do you get? You get a delivery every day from day 4.

Then add in the mitigation the gov puts in place to fast track.

Stop it you fool!! We need everyone to panic about medicines not arriving for months, and bodies piling up in the streets!!

Seriously, get a flippin' grip guys! Its that flippin' simple.

 

[SocketRocket]

Seriously... You spend what seems to be your life relentlessly passing comment on brexit , yet are oblivious to the problems a hard brexit would bring?
Staggering.

I take it from your normal ignorant response you have no answer to my question so you are reverting to your normal knuckle dragging twaddle

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Absolutely spot on!!

Lets assume there's a projected 3 day delay. So the NHS orders and extra 3 days supply. That's it! That's all of it, full stop!! Your first delivery, which is 3 days late arrives on day 4. The delivery that was due to arrive on day 2 now arrives on day 5. And the delivery that was due to arrive on day 3 arrives on day 6. Extrapolate that out and what do you get? You get a delivery every day from day 4.

Then add in the mitigation the gov puts in place to fast track.

Stop it you fool!! We need everyone to panic about medicines not arriving for months, and bodies piling up in the streets!!

Seriously, get a flippin' grip guys! Its that flippin' simple.

How does that work with isotopes which, I am told have a 36 hour lifespan.

 

[robinthehood]

I take it from your normal ignorant response you have no answer to my question so you are reverting to your normal knuckle dragging twaddle

And surprise surprise... an insult.

 

[ColchesterFC]

How does that work with isotopes which, I am told have a 36 hour lifespan.

Wouldn't time critical things like that already be arriving by air as a much faster delivery system? I don't know for sure but it seems as though that would be much more sensible than putting them in a lorry and risking delays on the roads.

 

[SocketRocket]

How does that work with isotopes which, I am told have a 36 hour lifespan.

Struth Once again, do you think for one minute UK customs will hold them up, they will have been pre-cleared.

Are you sure they have a 36 hour lifespan, what has happened before when there are strikes in France stopping freight movement. Were people not getting them.

 

[drdel]

Absolutely spot on!!

Lets assume there's a projected 3 day delay. So the NHS orders an extra 3 days supply. That's it! That's all of it, full stop!! Your first delivery, which is 3 days late arrives on day 4. The delivery that was due to arrive on day 2 now arrives on day 5. And the delivery that was due to arrive on day 3 arrives on day 6. Extrapolate that out and what do you get? You get a delivery every day from day 4.

Then add in the mitigation the gov puts in place to fast track.

Stop it you fool!! We need everyone to panic about medicines not arriving for months, and bodies piling up in the streets!!

Seriously, get a flippin' grip guys! Its that flippin' simple.

A few of us with international logistics and JIT experience have been saying this since 2016 but I'm afraid a few have their heads so far up where the Sun doesn't shine they don't see or hear and don't want to.

 

[Papas1982]

Why do you think medicines will not get through UK border controls coming into the UK, it would be our own people stopping them, just like loo rolls and lettuces etc. Maybe someone who is concerned about this can explain how it will become a problem? Also we export lots of medicines to the EU, are they concerned about it?

Imports won't be stopped at all. Everything will be cleared on a post arrival procedure.

 

[Papas1982]

Seriously... You spend what seems to be your life relentlessly passing comment on brexit , yet are oblivious to the problems a hard brexit would bring?
Staggering.

As far as the import of goods are concerned. It won't stop it at all.

Not in the short term. Procedures have been set in plcase so that goods will come straight through the ports and be cleared on receipt of delivery.

 

[Hobbit]

Wouldn't time critical things like that already be arriving by air as a much faster delivery system? I don't know for sure but it seems as though that would be much more sensible than putting them in a lorry and risking delays on the roads.

A few of us with international logistics and JIT experience have been saying this since 2016 but I'm afraid a few have their heads so far up where the Sun doesn't shine they don't see or hear and don't want to.

Medicines already form part of the mitigation planning and there is already assigned air freight routes designated to get the essential/timed medicines into the UK.

As you say, its already sorted but someone people don't want to hear that.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No! His predictions a better than 'yours or mine' because he has an entire chunk of his organisation doing modelling/analysis! That doesn't mean he's going to be right every time. And, of course the 'observer effect' applies to economics as well as physics!

The fact that he's prepared to change shows, to me, that he's got a lot more integrity than politicians!

All of it - while remembering that it's a prediction, not fact!

I agree.

 

[robinthehood]

How does that work with isotopes which, I am told have a 36 hour lifespan.

It won't matter, the brexit boat has sailed. Mog and bojo saw to that when they put their own aspirations ahead of the country by failing to support May.