Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Papas1982]

Doesn’t the negotiated deal with the EU cover everything already ? Obviously the deal is in the favour of the EU and I suspect any future ones will also certainly ensure the EU don’t get the rough end of the stick

If we stay in, then the trade deals remain as they are. All of it is agreed centrally. So we can’t sort any deals whilst part of the Eu.

If we leave then we will be able to negotiate with Eu countries as well as the rest of the world and sort our own tarriffs. If we do hard brexit then I’d imagine the hardline taken by Europe as a whole won’t be mirrored on smaller individual deals as certain countries won’t be able to refuse our trade.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If we stay in, then the trade deals remain as they are. All of it is agreed centrally. So we can’t sort any deals whilst part of the Eu.

If we leave then we will be able to negotiate with Eu countries as well as the rest of the world and sort our own tarriffs. If we do hard brexit then I’d imagine the hardline taken by Europe as a whole won’t be mirrored on smaller individual deals as certain countries won’t be able to refuse our trade.

I’m taking about the already negotiated withdrawal deal that was agreed the EU

And the “hardline” surely is just down to the EU protecting their interests and these smaller individual deals are going to have to a lot and substantive to fill a big hole

Will be interesting to see what we offer in such deals

 

[SocketRocket]

No! He's simply doing his job!

To the best of his interests

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The problem with that bit, is that a new deal cannot actually be negotiated, re trade tariffs until we have actually left as the Eu won’t enterain that as part of any deal.

Again, we could only make up our minds on the information provided at the time, which that was part of.

Right now I don’t think either side had a clue back then how we should of proceeded.

 

[robinthehood]

Did this guy really do this ?!?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49578400

And people want the likes of him to represent us ?!? Is this a symbol of the Johnson regime.

What a complete spanner ( sorry spanner’s are useful)!

Do a quick Google for the memes , there are excellent ones.

 

[SocketRocket]

Can’t argue with that. Shame that Mrs May surrounded herself with remainers and they never tried to get a decent WA...How many of the conservative MPs that Lost the whip were at one time part of her cabinet? I think that’s quite revealing.

And she accepted the EUs demand that trade talks would not be discussed untill the Withdrawal money and Irish border had been agreed. That was the point where it took away the means to sort the border and get an agreement that would have been acceptable to most.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Can’t argue with that. Shame that Mrs May surrounded herself with remainers and they never tried to get a decent WA...How many of the conservative MPs that Lost the whip were at one time part of her cabinet? I think that’s quite revealing.

It’s a good job TM didn’t take the whip away from those that didn’t support her during her time, most of the present Cabinet (incl the idiot) wouldn’t be in a job.

 

[SocketRocket]

It’s a good job TM didn’t take the whip away from those that didn’t support her during her time, most of the present Cabinet (incl the idiot) wouldn’t be in a job.

Corbyn isnt in the cabinet.

 

[Papas1982]

Again, we could only make up our minds on the information provided at the time, which that was part of.

Right now I don’t think either side had a clue back then how we should of proceeded.

I fully agree.

Realistically trade wasn't even properly mentioned when trying to sway support one way or another. Most people didn't consider it until the brexit deal. Hit the wall.

 

[Papas1982]

I’m taking about the already negotiated withdrawal deal that was agreed the EU

And the “hardline” surely is just down to the EU protecting their interests and these smaller individual deals are going to have to a lot and substantive to fill a big hole

Will be interesting to see what we offer in such deals

Well he current deal doesn't work due to the Irish border. That'll never get through parliament.

The tariffs as far as I recall stayed as they were if we agreed. But as much as they've put their deal to us and May tried to get it through. Its simply not doable.

Re the new deals we could make, hearing how the government plans to proceed via conversations at work. Clueless would be how I'd sum up their plans.

Their basically gonna let everything in and clear it after the vent as such. Imo massive hits will be taken as companies will blatantly under declare goods to circumvent tax once they know its all gonna be taken at face value with no checks in place.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Corbyn isnt in the cabinet.

Pity, your previous post (#12207) was so grown up as well.

 

[SocketRocket]

Pity, your previous post (#12207) was so grown up as well.

Lighten up 🙄

Anyhow you started it "(incl the idiot)" 😉

 

[drdel]

The EU has stated that the cost to the UK of an extension will rise above the UK's current membership rate. So those who believe the status quo will continue might want to wake up, the UK will get ripped off to the tune of about £1bn per month. JC better have good fertilser for the Labour money tree.

 

[clubchamp98]

I can’t belive the government have slipped an amendment to the bill under the noses of opposition.
It could potentially stop all talks according to ch4 news.
You couldn’t make it up.

 

[robinthehood]

The EU has stated that the cost to the UK of an extension will rise above the UK's current membership rate. So those who believe the status quo will continue might want to wake up, the UK will get ripped off to the tune of about £1bn per month. JC better have good fertilser for the Labour money tree.

It's not 1 billion though is it really.....

 

[SocketRocket]

It's not 1 billion though is it really.....

He said "To the tune of"

 

[clubchamp98]

The EU has stated that the cost to the UK of an extension will rise above the UK's current membership rate. So those who believe the status quo will continue might want to wake up, the UK will get ripped off to the tune of about £1bn per month. JC better have good fertilser for the Labour money tree.

It’s not his money!
Like most MPs he won’t be arsed.

 

[robinthehood]

He said "To the tune of"

Its not to the tune of 1 billion though is it really .

 

[drdel]

I can’t belive the government have slipped an amendment to the bill under the noses of opposition.
It could potentially stop all talks according to ch4 news.
You couldn’t make it up.

So the TM deal will be dragged out. What is Bercow going to do now.

Very strange that amendment was passed simply because of a lack of tellers.

 

[SocketRocket]

Its not to the tune of 1 billion though is it really .

What is it then?