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Field shows Benn up for what he really is.
It appears that the public change their minds but MPs don't.
It appears that the public change their minds but MPs don't.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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clubchamp98
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What about all the people who voted to leave?
Imo changing the law to get a political outcome is wrong .
That goes for both sides.
Foxholer
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The entire premise that you can equate/define 'the number following their conscience' to/as 'the number voting against their Leader' and, by implication, 'the number NOT following their conscience' as 'the number NOT voting against their leader' is Twaddle!
Old Skier
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It now appears that the UK leaving the EU on 31 Oct is in EU law so any legislation that is made here is irrelevant.
clubchamp98
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Hip Hip Ho)))) I will belive it when I see it.
Foxholer
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That question/option was not on the voting paper!
Did you believe the rest of their statements too? If so, more fool you!
If you think that would work, then....well, I've no unoffensive words to describe that!
Remember HER words...No Deal is better than a BAD Deal!
And it was/is a bad deal because we wouldn't be 'out' - because of the Backstop arrangements!
clubchamp98
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It’s a good job we (the people on here) are not in charge by some of the arguments.
Lots have merit ,lots don’t. On both sides .
But you can see by just our discussion that this is very difficult to sort out.
I don’t know the answer ,and don’t know anyone who does!
It’s a mess . To many lies, half truths, there is no trust in the system.
If you have to change the law to get a political outcome you are doing it very wrong imo.
Lots have merit ,lots don’t. On both sides .
But you can see by just our discussion that this is very difficult to sort out.
I don’t know the answer ,and don’t know anyone who does!
It’s a mess . To many lies, half truths, there is no trust in the system.
If you have to change the law to get a political outcome you are doing it very wrong imo.
Foxholer
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You made at least 1 bad decision about who/what to trust then, though there was plenty of evidence that they were untrustworthy!
On that matter, Cameron WAS right!
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Foxholer
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And THAT really is ironic!
Foxholer
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But certainly 'democratic' consequences!
I agree with all apart from your last sentence.
The Fixed Term Parliament Act; the current scenario of the Tories losing control of Parliament but unable to call an election means the UK has a puppet government, at the beck and call of which ever parties can cobble together whatever they can agree on and push through.
For example, and lets come away from the current mess, if the other parties proposed and created a law that saw the implementation of a new social care bill. Yes it might well be needed but you now have a new law without looking at affordability. Where's the budget?
And where's the accountability? Labour/LibDem alliance push something through but who takes responsibility for it?
Foxholer
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What a load of twaddle!
drdel
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Well you've got that right - that's the one vaguely polite word for the whole sorry mess emanating from Westminster: most of mine are Anglo Saxon
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Twaddle
Foxholer
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Foxholer
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Still don’t like hard cold facts I see.
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What facts are those? You pontificating and telling me what I should and shouldn’t believe or think.Still don’t like hard cold facts I see.
I’d rather stick a pineapple up me @r&£ than take advice from you.
Going off at a bit of a tangent, here's one to consider about who doesn't and who does support a No Deal. In the Beeb's own words, 3/4 of Remainers oppose a No Deal, and almost 3/4 of Leavers don't have a problem with No Deal.
That isn't hard to understand at all.
But here's the question; if 3/4 of Remainers oppose a No Deal, and almost 3/4 of Leavers don't oppose a No Deal, why does the graphic on the Beeb's website say the majority of people oppose No Deal?
We know there were more Leavers than Remainers, therefore 3/4 of Leavers is more than 3/4 of Remainers. And its not too difficult to perceive that 3/4 of a bigger number is bigger than 3/4 of a smaller number. Why does the Beeb's graphic suggest otherwise? There will be a little wriggle room in the calculation but... why do the numbers in the graph add up to 103%.
I'm inclined to think I've missed something.
That isn't hard to understand at all.
But here's the question; if 3/4 of Remainers oppose a No Deal, and almost 3/4 of Leavers don't oppose a No Deal, why does the graphic on the Beeb's website say the majority of people oppose No Deal?
We know there were more Leavers than Remainers, therefore 3/4 of Leavers is more than 3/4 of Remainers. And its not too difficult to perceive that 3/4 of a bigger number is bigger than 3/4 of a smaller number. Why does the Beeb's graphic suggest otherwise? There will be a little wriggle room in the calculation but... why do the numbers in the graph add up to 103%.
I'm inclined to think I've missed something.
SocketRocket
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My advice would be 'not the rough end '
drdel
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I think the PM should send JRM et al to Scotland and prorogue parliament on Thursday until Nov 1st.
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