Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Taz]

Rebel Tory source tells me 12 to 16 anti-no-deal-Brexit Tory MPs “holding firm” and still planning to vote against
@BorisJohnson
tomorrow, in spite of PM’s threat to call election if he loses. Mostly the older rebels not cowed. “It will be touch and go, but depending on... “what Labour does we can just about defeat the prime minister” said one.

 

[Dando]

Just seen some tweets/pictures from the Corbyn rally, only a few hundred there

Dianne Abacus said there was 5604trillion people there but Corbyn will deny attending

 

[Foxholer]

Yes, freedom of movement does mean that every EU citizen is entitled to come to the UK...

It could easily be "controlled" but for whatever reason, the UK Government didn't follow it.
...

So it's NOT controlled!

Btw. I know (and generally agree with) all the rest of the gist of your post, as I argued along similar lines pre-Referendum!

And it's not simply the 'working' that's the issue. More 'uncontrolled' migration puts additional strain on all sorts of services, especially housing and NHS.

 

[Foxholer]

Thats not answering my question. I asked "What deal do they want" Blocking no deal Brexit is obviously what they keep bleating about but if they achieve that what deal would they vote for? It cant be Maybots deal as that was overwhelmingly dismissed. Come on, tell me as I can't imagine any deal that would satisfy them.

My view is that many of them are simply using the pretext of 'No No Deal' in order to scupper Brexit entirely! They are, of course, entitled to do that, but a bit of honesty about their intentions would be preferable! So I agree with the bit in bold! It will be an 'interesting' few days in the politics game, with all sorts of manipulation being performed and deals being agreed - perhaps only to be scrapped very soon afterwards!

 

[drdel]

Gawd Help us. Let's have an election, get A government in with a majority and put this garbage to bed and move on with a bit of stability

 

[ColchesterFC]

My view is that many of them are simply using the pretext of 'No No Deal' in order to scupper Brexit entirely! They are, of course, entitled to do that, but a bit of honesty about their intentions would be preferable! So I agree with the bit in bold! It will be an 'interesting' few days in the politics game, with all sorts of manipulation being performed and deals being agreed - perhaps only to be scrapped very soon afterwards!

I would agree that any Lib Dem, Green or SNP MP are entitled to try to scupper Brexit but any Conservative or Labour MP was elected at the last GE pledging to honour the result. If they didn't like that they should've stood as an independent or joined one of the other parties.

 

[Taz]

PM announcement @6 .

FIirst draft of rebel alliance bill wants 2 months brexit extension, to do what his only knows.

 

[ColchesterFC]

PM announcement @6 .

FIirst draft of rebel alliance bill wants 2 months brexit extension, to do what his only knows.

To give them 2 extra months to work out the best way to stop Brexit.

 

[Foxholer]

I would agree that any Lib Dem, Green or SNP MP are entitled to try to scupper Brexit but any Conservative or Labour MP was elected at the last GE pledging to honour the result. If they didn't like that they should've stood as an independent or joined one of the other parties.

That would assume they have integrity though - like proper golfers do!

Integrity is not high up the 'desirable' characteristics list of many politicians! Certainly a long way below Ego and Ambition imo!

 

[Fade and Die]

For about the 100th time...……...…......…...…..

The UK is not a partnership of equals. England can easily out vote anything that Scotland proposes.
Remember 'Better Together' and 'The Vow'. Binned 20 hours after Indyref and we got EVEL instead.

As part of the EU we would have an equal voice and enjoy the sort of support that Ireland is getting from the EU at the mo.

As potentially one of the poorest nations in the EU do you really think Scotland would be on an even footing as Germany and France? 😄 Hardly!...think you would be sat at the back with the Bulgarians and Romanians!

As for Ireland getting great support from the EU, I think that was only because the EU saw Ireland as a way of forcing the U.K. to remain. In hindsight the old Irish Teashop might regret his hard stance against the U.K. and wished he had adopted a more amelioratory approach since it is HIS country that will suffer more than any other when Britain leaves.

 

[Deleted member 18645]

I just love this description of the "Rebel Alliance". All they need now is to find someone called "Luke" to be involved, drive a "Wedge" between them and try and go "Solo" and we'll be on the way to the full set.
Then Boris can form a party called the First Order and we will be sorted.

 

[Foxholer]

Gawd Help us. Let's have an election, get A government in with a majority and put this garbage to bed and move on with a bit of stability

Huge doubt about whether that would solve anything! And it would simply be a re-run of the Referendum imo!

 

[chrisd]

As potentially one of the poorest nations in the EU do you really think Scotland would be on an even footing as Germany and France? 😄 Hardly!...think you would be sat at the back with the Bulgarians and Romanians!

As for Ireland getting great support from the EU, I think that was only because the EU saw Ireland as a way of forcing the U.K. to remain. In hindsight the old Irish Teashop might regret his hard stance against the U.K. and wished he had adopted a more amelioratory approach since it is HIS country that will suffer more with any other when Britain leaves.

I found it amusing that Ireland are potentially the biggest losers when we leave and, as you say, the Teashop plays the hardest of hardballs 😩

 

[Old Skier]

PM announcement @6 .

FIirst draft of rebel alliance bill wants 2 months brexit extension, to do what his only knows.

Never seen such faffing about every time that podium comes out. Why hasn't some bright spark painted marks on the bloody road.

 

[Taz]

'This part of the Brexit extension bill is v. significant. It states the EU can choose the length of the extension - without a limit - and the Prime Minister must agree to it: '

Any MP who votes for this should be totally ashamed of themselves - would hand all power over the Brexit process to unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.

 

[Taz]

Does every No10 statement have to have a background of angry chanting by the great unwashed?

 

[ger147]

So Boris' position is very clear, this is gonna be a very interesting week...

 

[Old Skier]

Does every No10 statement have to have a background of angry chanting by the great unwashed?

Only a couple of hundred at most going by the overhead shot. Did they not know that happy hour was starting a trend 1800 hrs just up the road.

 

[chrisd]

Boris stands outside number 10 and delivers a speech and immediately our dear Laura ignores what he says and puts the biased BBC story on it 😣

 

[Foxholer]

Boris stands outside number 10 and delivers a speech and immediately our dear Laura ignores what he says and puts the biased BBC story on it 😣