Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[SocketRocket]

I am amazed that kipper packaging and straight banana laws aren't right up there.
Shows the depth of Tory/UKIP/Brexit propaganda that many dimwits are prepared to believe.

Genuinely surprised that we have absolutely no Brexiters on this forum who are able to answer your challenge.

If you are to dimwitted to understand my reply then it shows the shallowness of your trolling.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Freedom of movement. - yes, but this allows anyone to move to the UK simply because of where they were born rather than if they are needed or will provide a benefit to the UK. Why should a doctor from Poland have more of a right to move to the UK to work rather than a more qualified person from India or Pakistan?
Working in an EU member state is a lot easier as a member. - from a selfish point of view this is great as a lot of my work is in EU countries but again, why should I get preference over someone from a non-EU country purely because of an accident of birth?
Access to healthcare is a lot easier.
Pension rights are ring fenced.
Right to reside is a lot easier - the criteria for 3rd country citizens is a lot tougher. - as above. An accident of birth, or being born in the "right" country gives you more rights than someone who was born somewhere else.
Getting a Spanish driving licence is a lot easier if you have a licence from an EU member state... see above for 3rd country citizens.
Don't need a different International driving permit for each EU country visited.
Banking is a lot easier.
Taxation(double taxation) is easier to sort. - again great for me on a selfish/personal level due to my work in EU countries but for the average Leave voter is insignificant.
Education at an EU university, via Eramus, is a lot easier to access - will this be reduced/restricted or will they simply be more stringent in their checks on those that have come here to study and haven't left?

There's 10 that could change dramatically.

Cheers Hobbit. Some of the above are undoubtedly benefits but some, to my mind, could be argued - as per my responses above. Many of the benefits are because someone has been born in the "correct" country rather than because of the skills of the individual and what positives they can bring to the country they are moving to.

 

[robinthehood]

I am amazed that kipper packaging and straight banana laws aren't right up there.
Shows the depth of Tory/UKIP/Brexit propaganda that many dimwits are prepared to believe.

Genuinely surprised that we have absolutely no Brexiters on this forum who are able to answer your challenge.

Tbf I've had the answers I expected.
1. Avoidance. Check
2. Quote a few myths. Check
3. Ask me the exact same question in reverse. Check
4. All in all , none the wiser. Check

 

[ColchesterFC]

Do you honestly believe that would be an acceptable action and if you do then please explain why. I would really like to understand.

No I don't, I think that it would be an aberration for MPs to revoke Article 50. Even as someone that supported Remain, and still believes that staying in the EU would be the best thing for the UK, I don't think that there is any alternative to the UK leaving. I'm happy to accept that my side lost the argument and the vote went against us, even though it's going to make my work life much more difficult (depending on how we leave or the agreement we reach). Despite the arguments that the referendum wasn't legally binding etc. the fact is that the government of the day said that they would implement the result and at a subsequent GE both main parties stood on a platform of respecting the result. I don't see any other option other than for us to leave and as the only agreement the EU has said they are willing to offer has been rejected 3 times then no deal is the only option open to us.

 

[Pants]

I am amazed that kipper packaging and straight banana laws aren't right up there.
Shows the depth of Tory/UKIP/Brexit propaganda that many dimwits are prepared to believe.

Genuinely surprised that we have absolutely no Brexiters on this forum who are able to answer your challenge.

Perhaps most are content not to keep feeding trolls.

Don't think that I have ever seen straight bananas

Dimwits??? There you go again. Plonker

Btw. Just what part of kipper packaging are you on about? If you feel like replying, please read in full BOTH sides of the story. In part, BJ was wrong about the "ice pillows" but absolutely right about how the EU regulates how kippers are transported.

 

[SocketRocket]

Tbf I've had the answers I expected.
1. Avoidance. Check
2. Quote a few myths. Check
3. Ask me the exact same question in reverse. Check
4. All in all , none the wiser. Check

Move along 🙄

 

[robinthehood]

Move along 🙄

5. Socketrocket reverting to type . Check
😂

 

[Dando]

I am amazed that kipper packaging and straight banana laws aren't right up there.
Shows the depth of Tory/UKIP/Brexit propaganda that many dimwits are prepared to believe.

Genuinely surprised that we have absolutely no Brexiters on this forum who are able to answer your challenge.

Yet another dig at those who have a different view to yours

 

[Hobbit]

Cheers Hobbit. Some of the above are undoubtedly benefits but some, to my mind, could be argued - as per my responses above. Many of the benefits are because someone has been born in the "correct" country rather than because of the skills of the individual and what positives they can bring to the country they are moving to.

I’ve employed many non-EU workers. More hoops to jump through but not difficult to do.

You’re assuming the benefits are only one way, for people coming from the EU. My response was the benefits available when moving to an EU country. All the benefits you complain of are, strangely enough, the benefits a U.K. citizen receives when they go to another EU country.

The vast majority of EU citizens go to the U.K. for work. And the current employment rate suggests they are needed.

If you want to whinge about economic migrants, look at the numbers of sub=Saharan illegal migrants.

 

[patricks148]

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I think if the migration/immigration had been sorted out years ago we wouldn't be leaving. I would suggest looking at that first.

we had more immigration from outside the EU since the tories took over, they could have done something about that but instead cut UK border force budgets and jobs

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Yet another dig at those who have a different view to yours

No, I am having a dig because posters on here who have a very different view from me cannot answer robinthehood's very simple question

 

[Doon frae Troon]

we had more immigration from outside the EU since the tories took over, they could have done something about that but instead cut UK border force budgets and jobs

India saying any trade deal will probably involve an element of free movement.

 

[Old Skier]

India saying any trade deal will probably involve an element of free movement.

Now give the full version

 

[patricks148]

India saying any trade deal will probably involve an element of free movement.

i know see post 11,542

 

[Old Skier]

Freedom of movement - I'm still required to show my passport when I enter main land Europe as I do when I enter other countries so its relatively free all over the place
Access to healthcare easier - not where I live, some may even argue that freedom of movement may have caused some of the issues - I don't.
Pension rights ring fenced - makes no odds, if a business goes belly up and cannot pay then its ring fencing nothing
One International driving permit covers you.
Never had a problem with banking before the EU

 

[Old Skier]

Tbf I've had the answers I expected.
1. Avoidance. Check
2. Quote a few myths. Check
3. Ask me the exact same question in reverse. Check
4. All in all , none the wiser. Check

EU procurement legislation has had a negative affect on small businesses in my area including sending some out of business.

As you want to play top trumps:

Fancy telling me what the EU is going to look like in 8 years time and whether they will be able to continue along the same lines as it does now. You'd be the first to answer.

All posts like this prove is Remainers like Leavers will only answer posts they want to answer.

 

[woody69]

(Should I start with 'Oof' what ever that's supposed to mean )
I am not going to trawl through all legislation that has been hoisted on us or ones we have objected to just because you ask for it. There are a number of cases where the UK have been prevented from deporting criminals by the ECJ and there are websites showing the number of eu directives and laws objected to by the UK that were unsuccessful. I keep telling you that my view is that I don't want the EU to have any jurisdiction over UK laws, you seem unable to grasp this. Nothing else here to see, move on.

Myth - https://infacts.org/mythbusts/eu-hasnt-prevented-uk-deporting-terrorists-2/

 

[robinthehood]

EU procurement legislation has had a negative affect on small businesses in my area including sending some out of business.

As you want to play top trumps:

Fancy telling me what the EU is going to look like in 8 years time and whether they will be able to continue along the same lines as it does now. You'd be the first to answer.

All posts like this prove is Remainers like Leavers will only answer posts they want to answer.

I don't know, pretty much like it is now id say....May be an extra member ?
You can view the EU s 10 year plan on line.

 

[woody69]

This has been done to death so whats the point of dragging it out again. You and many others are content with EU membership and being a party to ever closer political union. Myself and many others prefer another way where we are not a party to closer political union and would prefer an independant Nation. These are the choices people made in the referendum and for what ever reason people voted for which one they prefered. Its done now and a majority voted to leave the EU. All this talk about people being stupid or that we understand more now or we never voted for no deal is playing games with the reality of it. We now need to leave quickly and all get on with making the best of it.

How has a discussion around people being content with no deal been done to death? Going back to the "you lost get over it" isn't something I am interested in. I just want to understand how people think a no deal BREXIT, i.e. leave at any cost is acceptable. It was supposed to be the easiest deal in history, we hold all the cards etc. The WA satisfies the legal requirement to exit the EU. Sure it's a terrible deal, but it does deliver BREXIT.

 

[Old Skier]

Myth - https://infacts.org/mythbusts/eu-hasnt-prevented-uk-deporting-terrorists-2/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...-allow-foreign-killer-to-stay-in-Britain.html