Tashyboy
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First law. When the high court makes its decision. Its final. No running to the EU coz a christian bakery will not make a LGBT cake.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Foxholer
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Can you name any law 'imposed' on UK that hasn't been 'beneficial'?
This 'having to answer to European Courts' is a complete red herring. There's only 1 court in EU where final appeals are heard - the CJEU. And that, quite rightly imo, deals solely with EU Law. The few instances there where rulings have gone against the UK Government have been absolutely reasonable imo. And, where deemed necessary, the UK Government has modified its action accordingly!
I'm inclined to opine that 'getting back control of our fishing waters' isn't going to be the panacea some believe it to be. For a start, we'll lose any rights to the EU's waters.
That potential 'cheaper products' argument is a 'maybe' imo. The fact that nobody has actually mentioned the sort of products involved indicates, to me, that they'll be few and far between. The main source is likely to be the US, but I have serious doubts about many of their products and methods - including Trump's manipulation of trade!
So, to me, it's all been a rather successful propaganda campaign latching onto the fear and ignorance of (much of) the UK public!
The only real benefit I see is one you haven't mentioned above - control of UK borders, who is allowed to enter and for how long! But there'll still be plenty of foreigners allowed in, because the UK economy needs them!
Foxholer
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Two more myths/propaganda!
UK has a different form of democracy to France or Germany (or the EU) or USA or Canada. Being of a different form doesn't mean it's 'undemocratic'!
Kindly name the (groups of) 'unelected beaurocrats' that are any different to those that exist in UK! Aside from the 28 Commissioners - each being appointed by Member States.
Foxholer
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Just about everything in that post is wrong!
Leaving the EU won't stop that issue being resolved outside UK!
Parsaregood
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Here's one straight off the bat, not a law but a regulation. Increasing the size in spacing of fishing nets therefore reducing fisherman's catch by 40%. That's a big hit to take.
Tashyboy
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What exactly is wrong, the fact an LGBT activist deliberately went out of his way to target a Christian bakery. Or the fact he is now taking the UK law ( not the bakery ) to the European court. Or the fact I have brought it up. Just for the record Foxy before the professionally offended start dropping anchors. I am all for LGBT rights, equally I am all for religious rights. Equally I am all for the rights of this country's laws, Without running to the EU coz like staying in or out of the EU it didn't go my way.
Al tell you what is wrong with your post, you have answered Robinthehoods question. Leaving the EU will make sure that issue is resolved on the shores. Thankyou.
Hitdaball
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https://fullfact.org/europe/fishermens-mesh-eu-parliament-speech/
It *might* be if wasn’t largely Ann Widecombe bullshit.
Jamesbrown
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Foxholer
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Go have a look at which court the case was eventually referred to!
Leaving the EU will not affect that case at all!
And FWIW, your court heirarchy in your OP was wrong also!
ColchesterFC
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A couple of technical questions for anyone with more knowledge than me.........
1) If MPs manage to take control of commons business is it possible for a Brexiteer to block any action with a filibuster (is that the right word?) speech?
2) I remember an MP getting criticised previously for shouting something that stopped a debate on a subject (possibly a debate on the law on "upskirting" photos but I'm not sure). Could a similar tactic be used by a Brexiteer in these circumstances to block any legislation that they are attempting to introduce?
1) If MPs manage to take control of commons business is it possible for a Brexiteer to block any action with a filibuster (is that the right word?) speech?
2) I remember an MP getting criticised previously for shouting something that stopped a debate on a subject (possibly a debate on the law on "upskirting" photos but I'm not sure). Could a similar tactic be used by a Brexiteer in these circumstances to block any legislation that they are attempting to introduce?
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Both houses have been filibustering right from the start which is why 3 years in we are no further forward.
The clowns say they will not allow the country to leave on a no deal
The EU gave a deal (like it or not)
The clowns rejected the deal democratically by voting 3 times
The EU says no further deal will be offered
You don't need a university degree to realize if no further deal is to be offered then the only option is no deal
The clowns now say that Boris is denying them a democratic vote, they've had 3, how many more do they want.
It's no more than filibustering of the highest order and they are to cowardly to admit that their only intention is to stop Brexit.
If that's the kind of democracy that remainers want, the only what's suits me kind, then who are the real junta lovers.
ColchesterFC
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Or revoking Article 50.
Old Skier
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But then it will shown them up to be exactly the same type of 3 time lying barstewards that they accuse BJ and his cronies of.
robinthehood
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Oof , so no one can even come up with a top 3 let alone 10.. just a non answer from this chap and a couple of other wrong answers from else where.
Jamesbrown
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What would it add to the discussions. I can only think of one directive that came from the EU and that swayed my leave vote at the time. I can’t imagine anybody can think of any directives off the top of their head that we transposed.
EU should of remained as a trading bloc. It’s not logical that our island nation has a parliament in Brussels that we pay for, when we pay for our own useless lot in Westminster. We could use that money on something like the NHS.
ColchesterFC
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Surely the flipside of this is to ask what 10 benefits can you name for being in the EU? And I'm not even asking for the top 10 laws that are beneficial, just 10 reasons for being a member that can be seen as a benefit, whether they are EU laws or not.
Freedom of movement.
Working in an EU member state is a lot easier as a member.
Access to healthcare is a lot easier.
Pension rights are ring fenced.
Right to reside is a lot easier - the criteria for 3rd country citizens is a lot tougher.
Getting a Spanish driving licence is a lot easier if you have a licence from an EU member state... see above for 3rd country citizens.
Don't need a different International driving permit for each EU country visited.
Banking is a lot easier.
Taxation(double taxation) is easier to sort.
Education at an EU university, via Eramus, is a lot easier to access.
There's 10 that could change dramatically.
SocketRocket
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(Should I start with 'Oof' what ever that's supposed to mean )
I am not going to trawl through all legislation that has been hoisted on us or ones we have objected to just because you ask for it. There are a number of cases where the UK have been prevented from deporting criminals by the ECJ and there are websites showing the number of eu directives and laws objected to by the UK that were unsuccessful. I keep telling you that my view is that I don't want the EU to have any jurisdiction over UK laws, you seem unable to grasp this. Nothing else here to see, move on.
Doon frae Troon
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I am amazed that kipper packaging and straight banana laws aren't right up there.
Shows the depth of Tory/UKIP/Brexit propaganda that many dimwits are prepared to believe.
Genuinely surprised that we have absolutely no Brexiters on this forum who are able to answer your challenge.
SocketRocket
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Do you honestly believe that would be an acceptable action and if you do then please explain why. I would really like to understand.
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