Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Tashyboy]

yes what a dispicable man, how dare he want to improve the lives of people other than the rich, get hundreds of thousands out of having to use food banks, and eradicate poverty. have a decent NHS that is adq funded and not sold off for profit... what a scumbag

Lets not mention holding hands with terrorists.

 

[patricks148]

Lets not mention holding hands with terrorists.

i agree, esp selling arms to them and giving them state visits

 

[Old Skier]

I imagine if the NHS didn’t exist now, in the current political climate some of you folks would be calling someone like Bevan a communist - Pursuing hard left policies like universal health care free at the point of use in a nationalised institution.

That's quite a jump and assumption.

 

[Hitdaball]

That's quite a jump and assumption.

You don’t seem to be fans of nationalised industry and socialism.

 

[Tashyboy]

You don’t seem to be fans of nationalised industry and socialism.

The gift that keeps on giving. Do you know Labour shut more pits than the Tories. Do you know they allowed the theft of miners pensions to continue.

 

[Old Skier]

You don’t seem to be fans of nationalised industry and socialism.

I'm not keen on the way the Labour Party is going at the moment true but how you can assume what I am or am not a fan off is beyond me.

 

[SocketRocket]

And for me there’s the rub.

It’s ok in the echo chamber for you to compare Corbyn to say Stalin( I guess?), but when Kellfire compares BoJo to Hitler you say he is mad and people say take it back.

Looking to the Nordics should provide many examples of socialist policies making countries better for the general population but we still fear of intervention in the market, because very rich politicians tell us it is bad. There is a great deal of difference between Malmo and Moscow.

Where did I compare Corbyn to Stalin, please dont put words into my mouth.
I am giving an opinion on the type of far left politics that Corbyn promotes not the type that builds gulags and murders millions of innocent people, thats not even Socialist policies, its genocide perpetrated by insane dictators and no different to what Hitler and his followers did. #Kelfire was making a direct comparison between Boris Johnsons government and Adolf Hitlers third reich, if you wish to defend that comparison as reasonable then you also need to take a long look at yourself and really consider what you are saying and how disingenuous it is.

The Nordic political system is centre left and based on free market politics, very similar to the Social Democrat type found in countries like Germany. Absolutely nothing like the politics of Corbyn and McDonnell.

 

[patricks148]

The gift that keeps on giving. Do you know Labour shut more pits than the Tories. Do you know they allowed the theft of miners pensions to continue.

of course they did and the rest of British Indusry no doubt,not to mention sold all the council houses off too with not a drop going to the councils that built them courseing housing shortages for the last 30 years.

Thats why the miners went on strike was it, against Labour?

i suppose it was also Labour that sold of all the Nationalised industies for F all on the stock market well under what they were worth, that worked out well didn't it Trains, Water, etc, etc

its all Labours fault, no wonder you call yourself a foating voter....

 

[SocketRocket]

yes what a dispicable man, how dare he want to improve the lives of people other than the rich, get hundreds of thousands out of having to use food banks, and eradicate poverty. have a decent NHS that is adq funded and not sold off for profit... what a scumbag

To distribute wealth you first have to earn it. Maybe you can educate me on how Corbyn's measures (that all previous socialist governments failed with) will remove poverty, food banks and provide a decent National Health. Wait a minute, I guess the answer will be more tax, more borrowing and more nationalisation 🙄🚮

 

[SocketRocket]

of course they did and the rest of British Indusry no doubt,not to mention sold all the council houses off too with not a drop going to the councils that built them courseing housing shortages for the last 30 years.

Thats why the miners went on strike was it, against Labour?

i suppose it was also Labour that sold of all the Nationalised industies for F all on the stock market well under what they were worth, that worked out well didn't it Trains, Water, etc, etc

its all Labours fault, no wonder you call yourself a foating voter....

Labour did sell council houses and all the proceeds of council house sales did go to local authorities.

 

[Hobbit]

You don’t seem to be fans of nationalised industry and socialism.

Personally, I believe every country should have a balance of nationalised and public owned. Police, Fire, Ambulance, prison service, water, electric, and gas + I dare say a few I've missed should be nationalised. They are essential services and no way should they be in someone else's pocket. I'd also like to see far stricter controls on private landlords - in the main, renters are at the lower end of earners and struggle with the ridiculous rents for many poor properties.

As for socialism; define it accurately. My version of socialism will probably be different to yours, and yours different to the next man's. What we will probably agree on is that the Tories version of austerity was too deep and went on for far too long. That said, in fairness, the UK's debt ratio wasn't far behind Greece's, and was only 'saved' by the ability to service that debt. Something did need doing, and what was started was right, it just bit too deep.

But a look at Tony Blair's Labour and all their sell off's will tell you that Labour sold the family jewels, and then borrowed loads and still left the UK in a mess.

 

[User62651]

Personally, I believe every country should have a balance of nationalised and public owned. Police, Fire, Ambulance, prison service, water, electric, and gas + I dare say a few I've missed should be nationalised. They are essential services and no way should they be in someone else's pocket. I'd also like to see far stricter controls on private landlords - in the main, renters are at the lower end of earners and struggle with the ridiculous rents for many poor properties.

As for socialism; define it accurately. My version of socialism will probably be different to yours, and yours different to the next man's. What we will probably agree on is that the Tories version of austerity was too deep and went on for far too long. That said, in fairness, the UK's debt ratio wasn't far behind Greece's, and was only 'saved' by the ability to service that debt. Something did need doing, and what was started was right, it just bit too deep.

But a look at Tony Blair's Labour and all their sell off's will tell you that Labour sold the family jewels, and then borrowed loads and still left the UK in a mess.

Blair wasn't true Labour, champagne socialist but he was electable, Labour have to decide if they want to be a protest party or become electable again but with JC in charge it just won't happen.
Boris and Cummings probably can't believe their luck, Lib Dems too.

 

[Hobbit]

Blair wasn't true Labour, champagne socialist but he was electable, Labour have to decide if they want to be a protest party or become electable again but with JC in charge it just won't happen.
Boris and Cummings probably can't believe their luck, Lib Dems too.

Blair was Labour. The vast majority of the party then was that version of Labour. Amazing how many Labour supporters try and distance themselves from those days. I voted for them then, and would happily vote for a centre left Labour again. The fact that they were more towards the centre appealed to those less extreme than right or left.

 

[patricks148]

To distribute wealth you first have to earn it. Maybe you can educate me on how Corbyn's measures (that all previous socialist governments failed with) will remove poverty, food banks and provide a decent National Health. Wait a minute, I guess the answer will be more tax, more borrowing and more nationalisation 🙄🚮

what like boris's magic money tree?

you are obv happy to have borrowing to fund tax cuts though?

who sold everything off for Fall in the first place?

 

[patricks148]

Labour did sell council houses and all the proceeds of council house sales did go to local authorities.

not all the ones the Tories sold off though.... if they had tried to buy them back that would have been wrong

 

[patricks148]

worrying thing is the Tories managed to kill of the unions TAIP killing workers rights, then we has the EU, and what do they want to do now???

you guessed it

 

[Parsaregood]

yes what a dispicable man, how dare he want to improve the lives of people other than the rich, get hundreds of thousands out of having to use food banks, and eradicate poverty. have a decent NHS that is adq funded and not sold off for profit... what a scumbag

You get what you work for, poverty will never be eradicated and you are a fool to think it can be. The NHS as it stands doesn't work. Too many people in the country take it as a given right to have things which in other countries you have to work for, no wonder the country is such a mess. Corbyn will never be PM and labour will never have a chance with him in charge.

 

[Parsaregood]

not all the ones the Tories sold off though.... if they had tried to buy them back that would have been wrong

How many people did the right to buy policy get on the property ladder ? Hundreds of thousands of people who would otherwise not have been able to buy could now afford to buy their own home, so this policy helped many people. Of course the council have to keep up with local demand but it was not a bad policy

 

[drdel]

So with the help of extremists in 'Momentum' Mr Corbyn wants everyone on the streets to protest against the rich and the anti-democratic establishment's actions from a personal basis as a millionaire with a new found desire to thwart a democratic referendum and laws he voted for in order to make himself PM

 

[Taz]

Too right 👍

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