Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[patricks148]

The worrying thing is for all these people who voted leave off the back of Imigration, what are they going to do when we do a trade deal with say India and that may include free movement or as Boris himself made a point o not so long ago what about Turkey, which he was so against joining the EU and millions of Turks coming to the UK... what then??

 

[robinthehood]

The worrying thing is for all these people who voted leave off the back of Imigration, what are they going to do when we do a trade deal with say India and that may include free movement or as Boris himself made a point o not so long ago what about Turkey, which he was so against joining the EU and millions of Turks coming to the UK... what then??

Is that a thing? Or are you just making stuff up?

 

[patricks148]

Is that a thing? Or are you just making stuff up?

heard and seen it mention a few times, trade deals may include free movent.... who knows, no deals done yet, but its a possibility

 

[SocketRocket]

I have heard many ecstatic Leave votes today extol the virtues and greatness of Johnson for showing strength and greatness in effectively slamming the door shut on Remoaners and ramming a No Deal through if that is what happens, and it will as there is little chance of a Deal - and these voters know it and are happy with it.

And we have Johnson and his goons telling us that Johnson has done it for matters relating to 'getting on with business' and nothing whatsoever to do with the Brexit mess.

Do these leave voters think they are wrong, or that Johnson is lying? because both can't be true. Well - many thought that what Johnson and his goons have said today are just a pack of lies, albeit expedient lies, and they are absolutely happy with that.

What a sad and desperate state of affairs

I guess you are content with the Goon Remainers in Parliament who say they are working against a 'No Deal' when in reality they are trying to kill Brexit off completely. Do Remain voters think they are wrong or they are lying? Because both cant be true.
Hypocritical claptrap, that's what your likes are spouting.

 

[Foxholer]

Momentum national co-ordinator Laura Parker calls on the group's members to “occupy bridges and blockade roads” in protest at Boris Johnson suspending Parliament. She says: "Our message to Johnson is this: if you steal our democracy, we’ll shut down the streets.”

If their leaders were at the forefront of that protest, it might be a great opportunity to 'eliminate' them!

Not a group I have much empathy with!

 

[SocketRocket]

The worrying thing is for all these people who voted leave off the back of Imigration, what are they going to do when we do a trade deal with say India and that may include free movement or as Boris himself made a point o not so long ago what about Turkey, which he was so against joining the EU and millions of Turks coming to the UK... what then??

Free movement with India has not been considered and never will, theres just too many of them, just like China. There was some discussion on how it would make sense for some very specialised companies to be able to move staff from one international office to another. This has been used in the world of 'fake news' to suggest India would insist on complete freedom of movement for its entire population as part of a free trade deal. Does anyone honestly believe this would be agreed.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I guess you are content with the Goon Remainers in Parliament who say they are working against a 'No Deal' when in reality they are trying to kill Brexit off completely. Do Remain voters think they are wrong or they are lying? Because both cant be true.
Hypocritical claptrap, that's what your likes are spouting.

Rather than do your usual rant aimed directly or indirectly at me whenever I post something that you don't like to hear about Leaving on No Deal, or on the incredible and often ignorant views of some Leave voters - how about addressing the point of my post - that many Leave voters seem quite comfortable - in fact celebrate - that Johnson and his goons are lying to us - that they know that they are lying to us and they celebrate?

And just wait to hear what else Johnson and his cadre of acolytes have in store for parliament to block anything the MPs might try and do. All perfectly legal stuff of course - though extraordinary. Extra Bank Holiday anyone?

 

[patricks148]

Free movement with India has not been considered and never will, theres just too many of them, just like China. There was some discussion on how it would make sense for some very specialised companies to be able to move staff from one international office to another. This has been used in the world of 'fake news' to suggest India would insist on complete freedom of movement for its entire population as part of a free trade deal. Does anyone honestly believe this would be agreed.

who said it wouldn't be agreed or considered???? Boris

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Free movement with India has not been considered and never will, theres just too many of them, just like China. There was some discussion on how it would make sense for some very specialised companies to be able to move staff from one international office to another. This has been used in the world of 'fake news' to suggest India would insist on complete freedom of movement for its entire population as part of a free trade deal. Does anyone honestly believe this would be agreed.

No? Ah right. This is all Fake News - because it doesn't suit you to hear it?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/59942...gration-to-the-uk-for-brexit-free-trade-deal/
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-for-indians-to-win-post-brexit-deals-say-mps

But you may be right. Just imagine. All these extra brown faces. Yes - too many brown faces in supermarkets and on our streets was one reason some Leave voters (hopefully a very small number but I wish that were true) gave for voting to Leave. Sadly you don't need to make up that sort of ignorant and bigoted thinking.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obriens-response-to-racist-brexit-voter/

 

[Foxholer]

who said it wouldn't be agreed or considered???? Boris

He does get some things right then!

Btw. Considered..yes - for a millisecond. Agreed....Never!

 

[Grant85]

This is one of the points that will be jumped on by the media...whether brexit was happening or not we are about to go into recession. Just look at the mess Germany, Spain, Italy etc are in, not to mention world conditions that brexit has absolutely no impact on. Yet I can guarantee that the second we go into recession those uneducated on the economy will blame brexit as it fits the agenda.

Our economy cannot grow year on year exponentially, it's simply not possible.

I actually think the media have been fairly restrained on this point. I agree it is a lazy piece of analysis to make, but while this impasse rumbles on - the country is not in a position to attract people, business or capital to stimulate the economy.

 

[SocketRocket]

1. No Deal Brexit means either a hard border on the island of Ireland or a hard border in the irish sea as UK will have tariffs that Ireland won't. UK Gov won't tear up Good Friday Agreement, so as soon as they don't need DUP votes it will be 'bye bye NI, enjoy the economic benefits of the EU that the rest of the UK won't'.
2. Just an estimate. We had a contraction in the economy in last measurable quarter. One more means recession officially triggered. Partly global, but obviously the current political impasse doesn't leave us best placed to do anything about it.
3. Scottish independence polling has been on the up. Scotland out of UK and inside EU would be an attractive proposition for many people and businesses. English speaking population, a lot of university graduates. A different view and proposition from 2014 that will appeal to businesses and middle classes, who were generally No supporters 5 years ago.
4. Because journalists would ask her if she agrees with a lot of the things Boris is doing, and clearly she won't. she doesn't agree with No deal and I'd guess she doesn't agree with proroguing parliament. So rather than lie or make up some mealymouthed statement, she's offski. She obviously doesn't like Boris as she backed a non-Boris candidate at every stage of the Tory leadership race.

1. No Deal Brexit doesn't mean any of those things unless the EU refuse to agree a free trade arrangement with the UK, something they should have done at the start of a withdraw agreement but refused to do. They have kicked every opportunity to sort this into the long grass and continue to do so. It would be so easy for them to do this and negate the backstop if they wished.
2.You do agree we will not be in definite recession then? And if we did it will not necessarily be due to the UKs attitude to Brexit. Do you not agree the free trade arrangement I mentioned in (1) would also have reduced such a risk of a hard border and resession. The EU could easily negate this concern on the border if they wished.
3. I reiterate, how would an independant Scotland fill the huge financial black hole that is being plugged by the rest of the UK, do they think the EU would give them membership and finance this bugetry deficit, I am certain they would insist on a major austerity program which would make many Scots think again about their previous UK union verses the new one they've tied themselves into What about the cost of losing free trade in the UK single market?
4. Following her clarifications today I think she does have family pressures and is not running away from Boris.

 

[Dando]

I guess you are content with the Goon Remainers in Parliament who say they are working against a 'No Deal' when in reality they are trying to kill Brexit off completely. Do Remain voters think they are wrong or they are lying? Because both cant be true.
Hypocritical claptrap, that's what your likes are spouting.

Of course he’s happy with what they’re trying to do as he's just another child who can’t accept losing!
if we left and it all went tits up he’d be happier than a dog with 2 dicks, then we’d get inundated with the “I told you so” posts

 

[Doon frae Troon]

They all lie i think is the point.

Realise the point.
But Trump and his Minnee Mee Johnson just keep raising the bar.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Ignorant comment, clearly you are enjoying the proroguing and avoidance of scrutiny, so how would you have government set up then? One blonde lying cheating racist eejit and a couple of his goons doing whatever they like?

Jings ..images of martial law with tanks and troops on the street.
Using the Bj's water cannon of course, have we still got them.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1166833685380980738

Looks like the CS are first off the block

 

[SocketRocket]

No? Ah right. This is all Fake News - because it doesn't suit you to hear it?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/59942...gration-to-the-uk-for-brexit-free-trade-deal/
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-for-indians-to-win-post-brexit-deals-say-mps

But you may be right. Just imagine. All these extra brown faces. Yes - too many brown faces in supermarkets and on our streets was one reason some Leave voters (hopefully a very small number but I wish that were true) gave for voting to Leave. Sadly you don't need to make up that sort of ignorant and bigoted thinking.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obriens-response-to-racist-brexit-voter/

Back to using the racist card to attack Brexit. Pathetic! 'All those extra brown faces in the supermarkets, what are you on?

I said the NUMBERS would stop a free movement agreement with India and you turn that into 'Brown faces in supermarkets'

Here's an article from your precious Guardian that explains India's ideas on better use of visas for highly skilled people and students. Its a bit of an exaggeration to compare this with 'Free movement'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/07/theresa-may-visa-offer-india-citizens-uk

 

[Old Skier]

Not one single Scottish Tory MP, MSP or MEP is 'available' to talk on Radio Scotland this morning, nae wonder.

No MP is up in the morning.

 

[Taz]

Disgusting :

https://twitter.com/x/status/1167158117337096192

 

[Taz]

Tory MP Ken Clarke tells Sky he "probably would" support
@jeremycorbyn
as a caretaker PM to stop no deal. But only if he could be kept "under control" and "wouldn't have the slightest chance of implementing any bits of his Labour manifesto" But Clarke says he doesn't think he'll need to as so few Tories will do the same. He also calls Jeremy Corbyn the "least suitable person of all" to gather cross party support in the Commons to block no deal. He says he is a "red rag to a bull for all sides".

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Johnson seems 'overexcited' to be pictured with Trump
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-27/boris-johnson-and-donald-trump/11451592