Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Grant85]

Why do you suggest NI will be cast into the Irish Sea?
How do you know there will be a recession within twelve months and even if there is are you suggesting Brexit would be the only reason?
Why would Scotland be so keen on an independence when it would mean a huge financial black hole in their economy when England stops paying and the EU wont.
Why does Boris need defending after every interview?

1. No Deal Brexit means either a hard border on the island of Ireland or a hard border in the irish sea as UK will have tariffs that Ireland won't. UK Gov won't tear up Good Friday Agreement, so as soon as they don't need DUP votes it will be 'bye bye NI, enjoy the economic benefits of the EU that the rest of the UK won't'.
2. Just an estimate. We had a contraction in the economy in last measurable quarter. One more means recession officially triggered. Partly global, but obviously the current political impasse doesn't leave us best placed to do anything about it.
3. Scottish independence polling has been on the up. Scotland out of UK and inside EU would be an attractive proposition for many people and businesses. English speaking population, a lot of university graduates. A different view and proposition from 2014 that will appeal to businesses and middle classes, who were generally No supporters 5 years ago.
4. Because journalists would ask her if she agrees with a lot of the things Boris is doing, and clearly she won't. she doesn't agree with No deal and I'd guess she doesn't agree with proroguing parliament. So rather than lie or make up some mealymouthed statement, she's offski. She obviously doesn't like Boris as she backed a non-Boris candidate at every stage of the Tory leadership race.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

2. Just an estimate. We had a contraction in the economy in last measurable quarter. One more means recession officially triggered. Partly global, but obviously the current political impasse doesn't leave us best placed to do anything about it.

This is one of the points that will be jumped on by the media...whether brexit was happening or not we are about to go into recession. Just look at the mess Germany, Spain, Italy etc are in, not to mention world conditions that brexit has absolutely no impact on. Yet I can guarantee that the second we go into recession those uneducated on the economy will blame brexit as it fits the agenda.

Our economy cannot grow year on year exponentially, it's simply not possible.

 

[Taz]

Ruth Davidson re Boris Johnson's desire for a Brexit deal: "I have had long conversations with him on this point & I believe him"

Ruth Davidson tears into ... not Boris ... anti-No Deal MPs. "You had three golden opportunities to support a deal, a goal gaping in front of them. For all the elaborate plans the simplest way to avoid No Deal is to vote for a deal. "For God's Sake do it."

Didn’t expect David Cameron to come out of Ruth Davidson’s press conference worse than Boris Johnson, but this quote from her is brutal ‘referenda should be used to affirm public opinion but not as a way for political leaders to fail to lead’

 

[Taz]

Any news on Sourby

FFS !!

Anna Soubry MP

@Anna_Soubry
· 21h
Replying to @ForChange_Now
I have written to HM the Queen asking her for a meeting with other Privy Councillors following the PMs anti democratic proposal to prorogue Parliament.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/lord-young-house-of-lords-resigns/

Lord Young resigns from the cabinet.

 

[drdel]

FFS !!

Anna Soubry MP

@Anna_Soubry
· 21h
Replying to @ForChange_Now
I have written to HM the Queen asking her for a meeting with other Privy Councillors following the PMs anti democratic proposal to prorogue Parliament.

These people have no memory. MPs voted 500+ to 100+ to enact the referendum result and place leaving the EU into law. Somehow some of these people claim the Government's attempt to follow this Act is undemocratic while those, including our unbiased Speaker, who are wishing to prevent UK following their defined legal path are being democratic!

As if politicians could be more stupid in the eyes of voters !

 

[ger147]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/lord-young-house-of-lords-resigns/

Lord Young resigns from the cabinet.

Lord Young was not a member of the cabinet, he has resigned from the government and the Tory whip.

Not every minister is a member of the cabinet, in fact the majority of ministers are not in the cabinet.

 

[drdel]

Those unelected bastions of democracy in the House of Lords may decide to work all weekend to pass legislation to hamstring the elected Government!

 

[Dando]

Those unelected bastions of democracy in the House of Lords may decide to work all weekend to pass legislation to hamstring the elected Government!

they'll do anything to get their daily allowance and no doubt the robbing bar stewards will try and claim over time too

 

[Lord Tyrion]

they'll do anything to get their daily allowance and no doubt the robbing bar stewards will try and claim over time too

Double time on a weekend?

 

[User62651]

Those unelected bastions of democracy in the House of Lords may decide to work all weekend to pass legislation to hamstring the elected Government!

Ignorant comment, clearly you are enjoying the proroguing and avoidance of scrutiny, so how would you have government set up then? One blonde lying cheating racist eejit and a couple of his goons doing whatever they like?

 

[Dando]

Double time on a weekend?

at least, and probably expenses for 5* hotels too

 

[Mudball]

A week is a long time in politics... Letter apparently written by BoJo to say that he wont prorogate.. and now we know what he did.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1166749095723245568

 

[Tashyboy]

They all lie i think is the point.

 

[jp5]

Imagine if Corbyn did the same with his policies ... is a dangerous precedent to set.

 

[drdel]

Ignorant comment, clearly you are enjoying the proroguing and avoidance of scrutiny, so how would you have government set up then? One blonde lying cheating racist eejit and a couple of his goons doing whatever they like?

You are quite right I do find the tortuous nature of today's politics a joke. However, IMO your phraseology rather eloquently demonstrates the source of ignorant commentary.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I have heard many ecstatic Leave votes today extol the virtues and greatness of Johnson for showing strength and greatness in effectively slamming the door shut on Remoaners and ramming a No Deal through if that is what happens, and it will as there is little chance of a Deal - and these voters know it and are happy with it.

And we have Johnson and his goons telling us that Johnson has done it for matters relating to 'getting on with business' and nothing whatsoever to do with the Brexit mess.

Do these leave voters think they are wrong, or that Johnson is lying? because both can't be true. Well - many thought that what Johnson and his goons have said today are just a pack of lies, albeit expedient lies, and they are absolutely happy with that.

What a sad and desperate state of affairs

 

[Taz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1167048291273584641

The part of this which is extraordinary and totally compelling is when the defence secretary Wallace says he doesn’t know what the “end of this” - the suspension of parliament - will be, and collapses in hysterical laughter To be fastidious, Wallace said “outcome of it” not “end of this”. Misheard. Same meaning though

 

[Taz]

Momentum national co-ordinator Laura Parker calls on the group's members to “occupy bridges and blockade roads” in protest at Boris Johnson suspending Parliament. She says: "Our message to Johnson is this: if you steal our democracy, we’ll shut down the streets.”

 

[Foxholer]

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Why does Boris need defending after every interview?

Indeed!

Perhaps because he's such an obvious lying, cheating, untrustworthy 'bar-steward'? And, once he gets out of 'briefed/planned reply' mode, he's liable to make too many gaffes with his off-the-cuff responses!

Though I'm confident he will get his 'No Deal' done. So on this matter, he has my approval - fwiw!

Whether he survives and flourishes - even if the country doesn't - or gets sacrificed (martyred?) as a consequence of his determination, will, to me, most likely depend on events/conditions outside his control. But I don't see Labour ousting the Tories with Corbyn running their 'team'! He's dragging too many anchors of his own!