Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Summary for those who can't be bothered to read the whole article :



For reasons that I have explained elsewhere, the Supreme Court’s Miller judgment handed Parliament a golden opportunity to take control of the Brexit process. That opportunity was immediately squandered by parliamentarians who — for fear of being castigated as “enemies of the people” — fell over themselves to write the Government a blank cheque when they enacted the Notification of Withdrawal Act. That Act handed the Government complete discretion over when Article 50 should be triggered and provided Parliament with absolutely no instruments of control over the ensuing process. Ever since, Parliament has been playing catch-up. As the autumn unfolds, and as the cliff-edge beckons, we will see whether the majority of parliamentarians who are opposed to a no-deal Brexit can recover the situation. As I have sought to show in this post, Parliament does have options open to it. But those options are limited in legal terms — and decidedly so in political terms.

https://publiclawforeveryone.com/2019/08/08/can-parliament-prevent-a-no-deal-brexit/

Really useful article - many thanks for posting the link to it. Just read it all

 

[MegaSteve]

Putting aside what you think of JO'B what did you think of today's Leave callers...Nobody was forcing these folks to call in - they called in absolutely convinced that they have their argument nailed and they will 'own' O'Brien. Do you think they did that today?

I don't really indulge in 'rant radio' these days... Much prefer easy listening 'stuff' nowadays... Did use to do LBC back in the day... Really think 'phoning in to someone residing in their comfort zone starts you off disadvantaged...

As I noted earlier take Jo'B out of his zone and he'd struggle... He's a professional broadcaster who's earnt his spurs conducting 'rant radio' the callers aren't... So, more fool them... Doesn't make him right or them wrong...

 

[Hobbit]

Putting aside what you think of JO'B what did you think of today's Leave callers...Nobody was forcing these folks to call in - they called in absolutely convinced that they have their argument nailed and they will 'own' O'Brien. Do you think they did that today?

Here's a thought for you Hugh. You come on here convinced that Leaving is wrong. People argue with you. Some quote Cameron/Osbourne's claims on Leave means Leaving the SM/CU. Some quote Osbourne's pronouncements on emergency budgets, £4,200 worse off in the first year, rampant unemployment overnight. You highlight May's, and subsequently, Boris's red lines, and others point to the EU's red lines. Who's right and who is wrong?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Anyone see Chancellor Javid on Sky news trying to defend govt on economy, seemed out of his depth and nervy, mouth getting ahead of his brain. Unconvincing performance.

A former Casino Banker in charge of the UK economy, what could possibly go wrong.

 

[Foxholer]

Here's a thought for you Hugh. You come on here convinced that Leaving is wrong. People argue with you. Some quote Cameron/Osbourne's claims on Leave means Leaving the SM/CU. Some quote Osbourne's pronouncements on emergency budgets, £4,200 worse off in the first year, rampant unemployment overnight. You highlight May's, and subsequently, Boris's red lines, and others point to the EU's red lines. Who's right and who is wrong?

Neither/None! Even Osborne's £4300/household (i.e. 6% reduction in GDP), though that's the most likely to be 'wrong', simply because of other factors!

 

[Hobbit]

Economy shrinking as we head towards a no-deal. Hold your hats

Strangely enough Germany's and Italy's economy shrank by the same number. Brexit or global demand?

 

[chrisd]

Strangely enough Germany's and Italy's economy shrank by the same number. Brexit or global demand?

Or just not buying because of over stocking due to the earlier date?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Here's a thought for you Hugh. You come on here convinced that Leaving is wrong. People argue with you. Some quote Cameron/Osbourne's claims on Leave means Leaving the SM/CU. Some quote Osbourne's pronouncements on emergency budgets, £4,200 worse off in the first year, rampant unemployment overnight. You highlight May's, and subsequently, Boris's red lines, and others point to the EU's red lines. Who's right and who is wrong?

You are right - I am absolutely convinced leaving is wrong.

What might in the worst case scenario have happened immediately following the vote largely hasn't - but the BoE carried out mitigating actions that largely worked - and the chancellor who would have called an Emergency Budget resigned; and some impacts are coming to pass. But just because some things haven't happened, doesn't mean they and others won't when we actually leave. It's a huge risk with peoples livelihood and lives - for what benefit to the individual in the long term (never mind the short term pain) I just don't get.

But rather than simply dismiss Leave voters views I listen to them. So just try listening to them this morning on JO'B. Many very committed Leave voters arguing their corner with him - determined to 'own' him. How did they get on?

 

[Hobbit]

You are right - I am absolutely convinced leaving is wrong.

What might in the worst case scenario have happened immediately following the vote largely hasn't - but the BoE carried out mitigating actions that largely worked - and the chancellor who would have called an Emergency Budget resigned; and some impacts are coming to pass. But just because some things haven't happened, doesn't mean they and others won't when we actually leave. It's a huge risk with peoples livelihood and lives - for what benefit to the individual in the long term (never mind the short term pain) I just don't get.

But rather than simply dismiss Leave voters views I listen to them. So just try listening to them this morning on JO'B. Many very committed Leave voters arguing their corner with him - determined to 'own' him. How did they get on?

I'm more than happy to give JO'B a miss. I have listened to his show on several occasions. For me, he's too extreme just as Farage is too extreme. He's right to highlight some of the issues but its the way he does it, with arrogance and snide put downs. Like Farage, he's not a nice person.

 

[drdel]

You are right - I am absolutely convinced leaving is wrong.

What might in the worst case scenario have happened immediately following the vote largely hasn't - but the BoE carried out mitigating actions that largely worked - and the chancellor who would have called an Emergency Budget resigned; and some impacts are coming to pass. But just because some things haven't happened, doesn't mean they and others won't when we actually leave. It's a huge risk with peoples livelihood and lives - for what benefit to the individual in the long term (never mind the short term pain) I just don't get.

But rather than simply dismiss Leave voters views I listen to them. So just try listening to them this morning on JO'B. Many very committed Leave voters arguing their corner with him - determined to 'own' him. How did they get on?

You really need to look in depth at what's been happening in the r27 nations: it is far from healthy. You talk about the BoE taking mitigating adjustments - at least they can. The central aim of the new guard in Brussels is for the ECB to be the dominant force. This would move most, if not all, control to Brussels and over time reduce the City of London's sphere of operation (look at the EU and Swiss arguments that have been banging heads for 4 years.) They have milked the UK and ignored us for the last few decades; do you think they'd stop now?

 

[jp5]

Strangely enough Germany's and Italy's economy shrank by the same number. Brexit or global demand?

Not sure. Probably Labour's fault.

 

[SocketRocket]

Not sure. Probably Labour's fault.

Probably

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Not sure. Probably Labour's fault.

Naw, Sturgeon must answer.

Is it true that the new 50p coin has the Queen on the front doing a face palm and Private Fraser on the back looking boggle eyed and saying 'we're doomed'.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Naw, Sturgeon must answer.

Is it true that the new 50p coin has the Queen on the front doing a face palm and Private Fraser on the back looking boggle eyed and saying 'we're doomed'.

After you win the Indy Ref 2 vote you won't have to worry about that. You'll just be able sit and look at all your shiny new Euros. You'd better hope that the £ doesn't fall too far or you'll all be much worse off when you swap currencies.

 

[Mudball]

Well BoJo doing the right things about getting ready for a GE or Ref2. He is splashing the cash.. if either GE or R2 happen he will be in a strong position to say all the thing that he can/would do if we are free and how Corbin or EU won’t let him.
As a nurse voting in the Ref, the promise to end austerity and get a hike is a stronger sell than EU and £ falling. So you can see the Tories win again..

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Johnson increasing police numbers and prison places, must be anticipating some sort of civil disorder.

 

[MegaSteve]

Johnson increasing police numbers and prison places, must be anticipating some sort of civil disorder.

If he doesn't deliver brexit he may well be right...

 

[Taz]

So Green MP Caroline Lucas wants an all-female "government of national unity".
Among the women she has invited to join her are Labour's shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry, Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and Conservative MP Justine Greening.
The others are: Heidi Allen, Kirsty Blackman, Yvette Cooper, Sylvia Hermon, Liz Saville Roberts and Anna Soubry.
She has asked to meet the 10 women in the coming days.

I notice Ababcus isn't one of the names being touted

 

[ColchesterFC]

So Green MP Caroline Lucas wants an all-female "government of national unity".
Among the women she has invited to join her are Labour's shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry, Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and Conservative MP Justine Greening.
The others are: Heidi Allen, Kirsty Blackman, Yvette Cooper, Sylvia Hermon, Liz Saville Roberts and Anna Soubry.
She has asked to meet the 10 women in the coming days.

I notice Ababcus isn't one of the names being touted

Are they all Remainers? And if so why does Caroline Lucas think that the best way to unify the country is to exclude half the people because of their gender and all of those that were Leavers? I suspect that her version of national unity is cancelling Brexit and to hell with the consequences.

 

[clubchamp98]

So Green MP Caroline Lucas wants an all-female "government of national unity".
Among the women she has invited to join her are Labour's shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry, Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and Conservative MP Justine Greening.
The others are: Heidi Allen, Kirsty Blackman, Yvette Cooper, Sylvia Hermon, Liz Saville Roberts and Anna Soubry.
She has asked to meet the 10 women in the coming days.

I notice Ababcus isn't one of the names being touted

I think most women in the country would not vote for that lot.
Imagine if that was a all male list from an MP they would be calling for him to resign.