Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Old Skier said:
I am neither ignorant or stuck back in time nor have I ever used the term snowflake when referring to anyone's views but it appears that you feel it appropriate to throw about your normal insults when your somewhat strange reaction to a completely harmless post are questioned.

I'm not sure why I (this time) am the focus of your intolerance but feel free to crack on.
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It was a general comment about the term being deemed offensive in a modern tolerant society - no fingers were being pointed just as I suspect as was you weren’t pointing when talking about people looking for offence even if none was there. No insults where aimed at anyone and i believed it to be just a general conversation.

Hopefully it was just an adult conversation without it going out of hand and made a break from the Brexit nonsense
 
Liverpoolphil said:
It was a general comment about the term being deemed offensive in a modern tolerant society - no fingers were being pointed just as I suspect as was you weren’t pointing when talking about people looking for offence even if none was there. No insults where aimed at anyone and i believed it to be just a general conversation.
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If you really think the post was offensive and racist surley the only course of action was to report it. I would hazard a guess that a large amount of people on this forum have used the expression themselves and never in an instance did it in a racist way.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
But where is the word derived from - their looks , looks defined by their race.

This is a good article talking to school kids

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp..../oct/04/schools-racism-hate-crime-brexit-vote

A good comment in there is - would you say “chinky” inside the restaurant- I’m guessing not so why ok outside not in range. One of my great friends from school runs a Chinese and he and his family find the term very offensive because of its origins.

And if Farage thinks it’s inoffensive that sums it up for me
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So Farage is one of your poster boys.............. because it suits. Although I've not seen the piece in which he said that I would bet £1,000,000 its about the context of when and where he was asked, and the potential for his reply to be used out of context. C'mon, surely you can do better than say Farage says its not right.

You believe one thing and I believe another. You ain't shifting me on this one and I won't shift you. Lets leave it there.
 
Hobbit said:
So Farage is one of your poster boys.............. because it suits. Although I've not seen the piece in which he said that I would bet £1,000,000 its about the context of when and where he was asked, and the potential for his reply to be used out of context. C'mon, surely you can do better than say Farage says its not right.

You believe one thing and I believe another. You ain't shifting me on this one and I won't shift you. Lets leave it there.
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I actually said that Farage finds it “INoffensive” ie not offensive

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/po...ably-an-elderly-male-Northern-Ukip-voter.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/po.../Nigel-Farage-defends-use-of-word-chinky.html

Chinese people that I know and meet find it offensive- that’s enough for me
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
I actually said that Farage finds it “INoffensive” ie not offensive

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/po...ably-an-elderly-male-Northern-Ukip-voter.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/po.../Nigel-Farage-defends-use-of-word-chinky.html

Chinese people that I know and meet find it offensive- that’s enough for me
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You really need to read AND understand what I said. I know you said INoffensive, which is why I said Farage was your poster boy. So Farage saying its inoffensive its ok? What you put in that last sentence could be taken as Farage is right to say its inoffensive.

Would I use Chinky if I was sat in a restaurant? Good question. No, but because the staff might take it out of context. No way would I call them chinky. And thats what using intelligence is all about, knowing when to use it and in what context, like brown or black.
 
Hobbit said:
You really need to read AND understand what I said. I know you said INoffensive, which is why I said Farage was your poster boy. So Farage saying its inoffensive its ok? What you put in that last sentence could be taken as Farage is right to say its inoffensive.

Would I use Chinky if I was sat in a restaurant? Good question. No, but because the staff might take it out of context. No way would I call them chinky. And thats what using intelligence is all about, knowing when to use it and in what context, like brown or black.
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So it's ok to use it when there are no Chinese around to hear it ?
#context
 
Middle and old aged white men deciding what is and isn't offensive and/or racist - you're not the ones who get to choose when it's not about you. Surely you've learnt that by now?

As for 'context', the context here is that this is a forum open to anyone to use and read, not a closed WhatsApp chat where context could be very different.

Golf undoubtedly has an image and inclusivity problem, and comments and subsequent discussion just highlight that. Would GM use a phrase on one of their platforms such as 'great round followed by a top chinky?' Of course not, because some people would offended. That's the context here that many are missing.
 
Hobbit said:
And you've never misunderstood a comment or accidentally taken something out of context and been upset by it? Not surprised by your effort to twist something...
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I'm not twisting anything. if you wouldn't say it in front of Chinese, why say it all.
My Vietnamese friend got called it many times when we were growing up. Not really the inoffensive term you'd like to pretend it is.
 
TheDiablo said:
Middle and old aged white men deciding what is and isn't offensive and/or racist - you're not the ones who get to choose when it's not about you. Surely you've learnt that by now?

As for 'context', the context here is that this is a forum open to anyone to use and read, not a closed WhatsApp chat where context could be very different.

Golf undoubtedly has an image and inclusivity problem, and comments and subsequent discussion just highlight that. Would GM use a phrase on one of their platforms such as 'great round followed by a top chinky?' Of course not, because some people would offended. That's the context here that many are missing.
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You seem easily offended and looking for a safe space. Move along snowflake. You won’t find it here.
 
TheDiablo said:
Middle and old aged white men deciding what is and isn't offensive and/or racist - you're not the ones who get to choose when it's not about you. Surely you've learnt that by now?

As for 'context', the context here is that this is a forum open to anyone to use and read, not a closed WhatsApp chat where context could be very different.

Golf undoubtedly has an image and inclusivity problem, and comments and subsequent discussion just highlight that. Would GM use a phrase on one of their platforms such as 'great round followed by a top chinky?' Of course not, because some people would offended. That's the context here that many are missing.
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Just because someone is offended by something. Doesn't mean said thing is offensive.
 
Papas1982 said:
Just because someone is offended by something. Doesn't mean said thing is offensive.
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Completely agree. 100%. Just not sure of the relevance?

If a significant enough proportion of people tell you they are offended by something directed at them for whatever reason, then I'm inclined to take that at face value, as I don't think I'm in a position to challenge that.

For the record I don't think Tashy was intending in any way to be offensive. That doesn't mean it's not a misplaced comment on an open forum.
 
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