robinthehood
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? The problem is they are losing orders, the fact that they need bailing out in the first place is what should be bothering you.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Old Skier
Tour Winner
I'm not in favor of a bail out but the thousands employed there might be. You cannot ignore the fact that EU legislation does not permit it. Perhaps if you are a steel worker it might sway you in any further vote on anything EU.
Grant85
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With regards to the PM bringing back her deal, basically with things in it that don't exist (i.e. Alternative Arrangements) I am just astounded that this lack of basic competency is allowed to continue.
Time was, a government would pretty much pull any vote they knew they would lose, and would even re-work ones they thought would be tight.
May's only strategy has been to run the clock down to a series of cliff edge moments in the hope that enough of her MPs would see that the Tory voters have become pretty Brexity and the MPs will fall in line. She has done absolutely zero in terms of seek actual compromise to try and cobble together 325 MPs from around the house.
What's worse / funnier is that despite May's incompetence, the ERG have actually been out manoeuvred by forcing their no-competence vote through in December when it was fairly clear at the time she would hold on. This has basically guaranteed her this whole year to linger on in the hope that either the EU or 325 MPs cave in to get some kind of resolution.
Personally I am struggling to see a resolution for Brexit that doesn't involve either;
* remaining
OR
* Brexiting but effectively throwing NI out of the Union and likely leading to Scotland following them
I don't really have a preference either way, but lets not pretend there is a neat and tidy solution that May, BoJo, Corbyn etc. can deliver. A no deal Brexit is not a solution and those crowing to 'just get on with it' are completely ignorant of what that would involve.
Time was, a government would pretty much pull any vote they knew they would lose, and would even re-work ones they thought would be tight.
May's only strategy has been to run the clock down to a series of cliff edge moments in the hope that enough of her MPs would see that the Tory voters have become pretty Brexity and the MPs will fall in line. She has done absolutely zero in terms of seek actual compromise to try and cobble together 325 MPs from around the house.
What's worse / funnier is that despite May's incompetence, the ERG have actually been out manoeuvred by forcing their no-competence vote through in December when it was fairly clear at the time she would hold on. This has basically guaranteed her this whole year to linger on in the hope that either the EU or 325 MPs cave in to get some kind of resolution.
Personally I am struggling to see a resolution for Brexit that doesn't involve either;
* remaining
OR
* Brexiting but effectively throwing NI out of the Union and likely leading to Scotland following them
I don't really have a preference either way, but lets not pretend there is a neat and tidy solution that May, BoJo, Corbyn etc. can deliver. A no deal Brexit is not a solution and those crowing to 'just get on with it' are completely ignorant of what that would involve.
robinthehood
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I'm not ignoring it, but even outside the EU there would still be restrictions on state aid. Whether that's wto or us adopting eu regs ,
Kellfire
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If the work isn't viable, why should it survive just because it is British?
Kellfire
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Sadly no, because MPs are too spineless to call a second referendum to fix this mess we're in.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Amen to the last part. Just do not understand the mentality of people who just want to get it over with and to hell with the consequences in Ireland, the economy etc etc. Generally if an organisation can not implement an initiate as there is no overall support for it in the organisation and they know it will cause them, at the very least, short term harm, they shelf it. No sane organisation just goes 'oh well, we'll do it anyway, what's the worst that can happen'. Still, I suppose that is not someones definition of democracy.
Grant85
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In fairness to the Government, they have not pivoted this way. Likely because there are enough sensible heads in there that realise what the pain would be. While short term politically, it would have neutered the Brexit party - likely the Tories would be out of government for decades as a sharp economic shock would cripple many working age people.
chrisd
Major Champion
Nobody seems to discuss the increasing federalism the the Lisbon Treaty will dump on us if we were to stay in
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Welcome to 2020
https://www.theredroar.com/2019/05/unmasked-brexit-rally-thug-is-alt-right-lecturer/
BTW there looks to be about 20 'people' supporting the far right rally.
https://www.theredroar.com/2019/05/unmasked-brexit-rally-thug-is-alt-right-lecturer/
BTW there looks to be about 20 'people' supporting the far right rally.
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I agree it's a mess and the fix is to get us out of the EU shackles as quickly as possible.
robinthehood
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Such as?
chrisd
Major Champion
Read here, this rebuffs a lot of the things that are being said about the Treaty but still imo confirms changes over the next few years that the UK will be adversely affected by being in the UK
https://fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong/
robinthehood
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Such as......? (that URL is a list if stuff not happening)
Kellfire
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That page is basically a list of rebuttals against most fears of the EU. I don’t see how you possibly see it as a negative thing.
robinthehood
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interesting site, has a good article about the 350 Million
I'm a Remainer, as I've said before. Partly selfish, living in Spain but that's not quite so critical now we have Residencia. And very much because of the integration in business. However, why does the EU need to further extend its reach into national laws/rules? I do see it as a negative thing. Its not required. If anything, I'd like to see them dialled back quite a bit. For me, the majority of why I'm ok with the EU is for trade.
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So can someone explain what the hell is going on at the moment? Heard the deal was tweaked and something about the UK not splitting and also something about a second referendum?
chrisd
Major Champion
Because many believe that the things that are being claimed WILL happen will happen, it was the easiest list I could find in the time I had that showed the claims- I accept that it wasnt the best way to make the point but I didn't have time to do anything else
to honest Phil, I don't think anyone has a Scooby about what's going on
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