Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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robinthehood said:
They're not trying to make us stay . 3 times voted down due to politicians looking after thier own self interest. As for your question I'd be unhappy but it's just meaningless what iffery
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Most people that voted for Brexit would not recognise Mays deal as actually delivering on the referendum. I assume you are familiar with the term BRINO? So your counter argument is wrong.

And it’s not whatiffery, it’s just unpalatable for you to accept what you are supporting. “Bollocks to Brexit”....Bollocks to democracy is more like it.
 
robinthehood said:
They're not trying to make us stay . 3 times voted down due to politicians looking after thier own self interest. As for your question I'd be unhappy but it's just meaningless what iffery
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What actually makes you think it's 'self interest'?

A poll/survey of MPs indicated 480 Remain vs 159 Leave http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/how-mps-voted-in-the-eu-referendum-11364110245462

Obviously Whip and commitments to implement the referendum result would reduce that gap in any actualrelevant vote, but that stat reflects MPs 'nomal' opinion!
 
Fade and Die said:
If the result had been 52-48 to remain and parliament tried to make us leave how would you feel?

Be honest.
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Wouldn't have happended because parliament is more for remain than leave across all parties even if the public (that bothered to vote) weren't. Not sure that's relevant anyway as maintaining the status quo is so much more simple than instigating massive change based on unachievable promises. Reality has kicked in since the heady days of early 2016.

Bit of a tangent but relevant I think - The Govt and PM have tried their hardest to honour the referendum and narrow leave result, horribly maybe but still trying with another vote next month. It's the Govt's own ERG MPs who have largely scuppered that because they want a different type of harder leave. Course Govt will try and blame Labour, that's what they do. Another factor was May calling a needless GE before Brexit had barely got underway. She's been in denial and self-preservation mode since that awful outcome for her.
May's deal is a realistic result of a negotiation with a stronger EU yet many of her own MPs won't back it, maybe rightly so.

Be interesting to see when Boris or whomever takes PM job in a few weeks just how much better they get on with Brexit with ERG and Farage carping away constantly in the background yet parliamentary arithmetic will be the same if not worse for Govt as several MPs said they won't serve under Boris J, he is that marmite. In that scenario whether they resign and there are by-elections or they move to Independent status or another party remains to be seen. Boris will have to call a GE and try to get a decent majority, big gamble after 9 years of fairly hopeless Tory and Tory coalition Govt, even with Corbyn holding Labour back.
 
I would be interested to hear the positives for leaving with no deal from anyone who supports that move.
I just cannot understand why anyone would want to bring self harm to our country.
Seems to me like sheer bloody mindness/toys oot the pram.
 
It's the general public frustrating the will of the people. If they'd given May a decent majority in 2017 we'd have been out by now.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I would be interested to hear the positives for leaving with no deal from anyone who supports that move.
I just cannot understand why anyone would want to bring self harm to our country.
Seems to me like sheer bloody mindness/toys oot the pram.
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Erm ending payments to the EU to get a fraction back?
 
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Been off here for a while, but amused to see its still rumbling on... Doon still thinks that the EU giving us back a proportion of OUR OWN MONEY is EU Investment! :-)

This week, a tax cut on business rates has been blocked by EU Rules and Marr show has all 5 panelists on his show, "Remain" Supporters.... BBC impartial eh? May still peddling her "deal that all sides hate"...

Oh well.. back to work! :-)
 
IanM said:
Been off here for a while, but amused to see its still rumbling on... Doon still thinks that the EU giving us back a proportion of OUR OWN MONEY is EU Investment! :)

This week, a tax cut on business rates has been blocked by EU Rules and Marr show has all 5 panelists on his show, "Remain" Supporters.... BBC impartial eh? May still peddling her "deal that all sides hate"...

Oh well.. back to work! :)
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yep, nothing changes....same old arguments.

I'm looking forward to Thursday and the impending results. Cant wait to see how the BBC spin them.
 
I can't beleive this is still being argued about. It's simple we voted out, it matter not the size of the vote. We should have left with immediate effect on the leave date and a brand new trade deal struck with the EU which had been negotiated with no payments made to the EU (that were due) until such a deal had been made. And this deal would be a trade deal ONLY. no further payments to the EU bonkers ideas.
 
Crazyface said:
I can't beleive this is still being argued about. It's simple we voted out, it matter not the size of the vote. We should have left with immediate effect on the leave date and a brand new trade deal struck with the EU which had been negotiated with no payments made to the EU (that were due) until such a deal had been made. And this deal would be a trade deal ONLY. no further payments to the EU bonkers ideas.
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Probably because we were promised a deal before we left, not Leave then deal.
 
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