Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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MetalMickie said:
I wonder if we would have seen this type of comment had Ms Widdecombe announced that she was joining the Independent Group?
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That's just ridiculous whataboutery. It's like me asking if Soubry or Dianne Abbot joined UKIP would UKIP voters who regularly have a go at them change their minds. She will not join them as she does not align politically with them in any way. Despite the fact that she was the comedy dancer in Strictly for whatever year she was in it, her politics and views are not something I align with, to quote wikipidia 'Widdecombe was known for opposing the legality of abortion, her opposition to various issues of LGBT rights such as an equal age of consent and the repeal of Section 28, In 1996, Widdecombe, as prisons minister, defended the Government's policy to shackle pregnant prisoners with handcuffs and chains when in hospital receiving ante-natal care .

Great if you like that kind of thing or are wiling to look over it as she has joined the Brexit party, but not for me and not a great addition to our politics IMHO.
 
Hacker Khan said:
That's just ridiculous whataboutery. It's like me asking if Soubry or Dianne Abbot joined UKIP would UKIP voters who regularly have a go at them change their minds. She will not join them as she does not align politically with them in any way. Despite the fact that she was the comedy dancer in Strictly for whatever year she was in it, her politics and views are not something I align with, to quote wikipidia 'Widdecombe was known for opposing the legality of abortion, her opposition to various issues of LGBT rights such as an equal age of consent and the repeal of Section 28, In 1996, Widdecombe, as prisons minister, defended the Government's policy to shackle pregnant prisoners with handcuffs and chains when in hospital receiving ante-natal care .

Great if you like that kind of thing or are wiling to look over it as she has joined the Brexit party, but not for me and not a great addition to our politics IMHO.
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Nothing to do with "whataboutery".

Just an attempt to raise the debate above the level of juvenile.

I appreciate that you may have reservations as a result of her position on certain issues and I may share some of you concerns.

However, there is nothing to be gained by attempting to ridicule her personally.

BTW I find Wikipedia a very doubtful source as there is little or no control of what may be posted.
 
I think it would be difficult to find an MP with whom you agree with on ALL aspects.
 
adam6177 said:
A couple of musings from some articles I've stumbled across over the last couple of days.

The Brexit party have some pretty "decent" candidates now that should appeal to a broad range of voters, Ann Widdecombe being the latest addition today. I'm very interested to see how the party progress.

Also I've been reading on the multi million pound EU grants the BBC have received for many years now, along with £141m of "soft loans" - which goes to explain the BBC stance and bias shown in recent years. (Sources for these reports are The Times and The Telegraph).
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As much as I disagree with some of her beliefs, she's very good in other areas. One thing is for sure, she's no wishy-washy yoghurt knitter.
 
It looks more and more likely that parliament will find a way to renague on their promises to the British voters on respecting the EU referendum vote. A question for those supporting this act of political vandalism: If we end up staying in the EU what will be done to recognise the wishes of the majority who voted to leave? Will we be told to get over it, suck it up or would there be a determined effort to make changes to our membership that goes someway to pacify us.

I envisage some troubled times ahead for our nation, even if we stay in; the SNP will continue with their real agenda of leaving the UK, there is the spectre of Corbyn breaking our ecconomy before he is too old with his tried and tested destructive policies. The feelings of frustration held by so many due to the self serving neo-treachery of our politicans may well create a culture where many will vote in a way to try and create disruption and instability.

Be very careful of what you wish for, I cannot see this ending well, no deal may well have been a better option.
 
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Peston tweet.

This matters. The International Commission of Labour’s National Policy Forum - which consists of MPs, trade unionists, MEPs, and constituency representatives - has just voted UNANIMOUSLY that Labour’s manifesto for EU elections should pledge to hold a confirmatory referendum...
on any Brexit deal. My sources say there were no dissenting voices. And yesterday all Labour MEPs voted in precisely the same unanimous way, for a referendum. Tomorrow Labour’s Trade Union Liaison Organisation is likely to inform the party’s ruling NEC that its big...
Unite - also want a referendum. So it is increasingly hard to see how Labour’s ruling NEC can next Tuesday, at its emergency meeting ignore such widespread membership pressure and do anything but adopt...
a confirmatory referendum as the foundation of its manifesto. That said many senior Labour figures tell me they worry Seumas Milne and @jeremycorbyn will somehow find a way to prevent the party adopting an unambiguous pledge to campaign for a referendum. As one senior Labour... said to me, “it is a test of whether Jeremy really believes in party democracy”.
 
i must say, i switched off the whole Brexit for the past 2 weeks.. have many other pressing things + was not in the UK (so avoided all the Media storm). It is funny how the world outside UK & EU is fairly neutral to the whole Brexit thing - except sympathising with 'you poor Brits cant make your minds' or 'i know you are suffering' etc etc.

Was a good Brexit free weeks.. Must do this more often
 
JamesR said:
It says to press the big red button to delete the internet

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Shall I do it?
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Go for it. What's the worst that can happen? At least if you delete the internet (just from your PC or the actually the whole internet?) then there's no chance of getting any viruses so you won't need the Norton antivirus that's being promoted.
 
Oh great, I have been off the scale for a few days walking in the Dales.
I come back to find out that it is odds on IdiotmanboyBoris will be the next PM, with Nigel and Whiddycombe in his cabinet.:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
adam6177 said:
BBC info

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/22/stop-bias-against-brexit-face-fine-bbc-warned/
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So basically there is no proven bias and it’s someone who wants there to be proven bias.

Ok then. My turn.

I, KELLFIRE, (as someone who exists) demands the Telegraph stop pretending that Brexit is a good thing because it clearly isn’t as per the vast majority of financial and societal experts. I will REPORT this grievous transgression to the HIGH AUTHORITIES FORTHWITH if my expectation is not met within 89 minutes!


And with this declaration I have as much power as this article. Moving on...
 
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