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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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There's a big difference between could and would, a big difference.
No point suggesting it “could “ and not is there.. so in the end they are looking to renege on a statement. Just another bunch of liers.
In fact have we had any correct facts from the referendum, either side?
 
The 'significant downward trend' was in the growth, not the size, of the economy!
While for the 2 powerhouses of EU (France and Germany) growth might have a downward trend, it was still (marginally) greater than UK's.

Such 'misuse' of stats (I'm pretty sure that it was accidental in this case) can be laughable/extreme! I remember Rob Muldoon (while PM) once commending the latest disastrous ones - 'spinning' that 'the reduction of the increase of the inflation rate' was actually evidence that his policies were working!

Maybe you misunderstood my point, and I also did point out that a lower percentage of a higher number is slight more than a high percentage of a lower number.

The graphs I drew the conclusions from were quite clear. They showed the trend for the UK was now flat lining, whilst the trend for those others quoted was still falling. Yes the others started from a higher percentage, and I didn't say they didn't.

Like I said, draw your own conclusions from it all.
 
Our parliamentry system has becoome a laughing stock, the world looks on amazed at how the mother of parliaments can morph into this clown fest. I just love the way those that have the audacity to suggest we should get on and leave the EU are being portrayed as heretics, I mean how dare they suggest the UK makes such a catastrophic move, how can it crash out of the EU, fall over a cliff, leap into the dark. Come on now no country can exist in such a vacume that exists outside the paradise of JUNKERTUSK.

And on and on it goes, the kipper faces asking for peoples votes, conformentary votes, customs unions, warning us that the life we have become acustomised to would end, we would have to live in a zombie country without medication or lettuces, no toilet paper or drinking water, cars without camshafts and chickens that have to swim 500 meters in the local baths so they are suitable chlorine washed before meeting their fate. When someone puts out a bit of positive news Carney gets slapped around the face with a wet haddock and is rolled out to counter it with much wailing and gnashing of fiscal teeth. Planes won't fly, for some reason if lorries get stuck going out of the UK but can come in OK then our supermarket shelves will represent the bottom of a pegion loft, funny that, you would imagine it would be the ones in Calais that would be short of food 🤔

Its the poiticians, the Liberal Elete, people like Blair, Major, Heseltine, Campbell et all that keep dripping this anti British vitriol that is designed to frighten people witless. Their plan is to weary people to a degree where they will roll over and say "do what you will, we cant take any more of this "

There is no way this can end well now and time will show the damage done to our democracy and government. So much for tonight's outpouring, I'm not going ot hold back next time though 🙋‍♂️
 
Our parliamentry system has becoome a laughing stock, the world looks on amazed at how the mother of parliaments can morph into this clown fest. I just love the way those that have the audacity to suggest we should get on and leave the EU are being portrayed as heretics, I mean how dare they suggest the UK makes such a catastrophic move, how can it crash out of the EU, fall over a cliff, leap into the dark. Come on now no country can exist in such a vacume that exists outside the paradise of JUNKERTUSK.

And on and on it goes, the kipper faces asking for peoples votes, conformentary votes, customs unions, warning us that the life we have become acustomised to would end, we would have to live in a zombie country without medication or lettuces, no toilet paper or drinking water, cars without camshafts and chickens that have to swim 500 meters in the local baths so they are suitable chlorine washed before meeting their fate. When someone puts out a bit of positive news Carney gets slapped around the face with a wet haddock and is rolled out to counter it with much wailing and gnashing of fiscal teeth. Planes won't fly, for some reason if lorries get stuck going out of the UK but can come in OK then our supermarket shelves will represent the bottom of a pegion loft, funny that, you would imagine it would be the ones in Calais that would be short of food 🤔

Its the poiticians, the Liberal Elete, people like Blair, Major, Heseltine, Campbell et all that keep dripping this anti British vitriol that is designed to frighten people witless. Their plan is to weary people to a degree where they will roll over and say "do what you will, we cant take any more of this "

There is no way this can end well now and time will show the damage done to our democracy and government. So much for tonight's outpouring, I'm not going ot hold back next time though 🙋‍♂️
I do love a good late night rant. Sweep used to be good value for those. A 10 post, frustration filled flurry at 4 in the morning was always fun to wake up to.
On the subject of our favourite stuffed animal with a hand up his rectum, anyone seen Sweep recently?
 
I do love a good late night rant. Sweep used to be good value for those. A 10 post, frustration filled flurry at 4 in the morning was always fun to wake up to.
On the subject of our favourite stuffed animal with a hand up his rectum, anyone seen Sweep recently?
He'll be back. He's just waiting for the right time. 🤔
 
... and we cross 9K posts!!! That’s more posts than those who turned up at the Pro-Brexit rally 🧐

Very selfishly I am glad that Brexit is delayed beyond 15th May. My sofa is to be delivered around that time. The guys said they can’t guarantee how long the delays at the ports will be in case of no-heal Brexit
 
I would suggest that seeing as she has voted against her constituents wishes, she has not represented them. In fact she has done the opposite.
That is a fair point, LP and Metalmickie have probably covered this one. She is not alone there though. It will be interesting to see how many MPs in a similar position will lose their seats next election.

Irrespective of how she votes though her constituents are still entitled to have someone there on their behalf.
 
Not according to the Government side.

They claim that the talks have been constructive and both sides are considering different ways forward.

Somewhere between the two lies the truth I expect. Just hope the talks aren't ruined by party posturing from either side.
Can I translate that 2nd sentence from 'Negotiation-speak' for you......
...They claim that the talks have been constructive...
Walls are being built!
...both sides are considering different ways forward.
...
There is no common ground/agreement about how to proceed!

;)
 
Maybe you misunderstood my point, and I also did point out that a lower percentage of a higher number is slight more than a high percentage of a lower number.

The graphs I drew the conclusions from were quite clear. They showed the trend for the UK was now flat lining, whilst the trend for those others quoted was still falling. Yes the others started from a higher percentage, and I didn't say they didn't.

Like I said, draw your own conclusions from it all.
And please confirm that I got my point across that while (e.g. for Germany) reducing growth may be a slight concern, it's still better (at 1.5%) than the UK' (1.4%)! And the German economy (GDP) is almost 50% larger than UK's. Likewise, France grew by 1.6%, overtaking UK to go into 6th place in ranking.

Oh, and UK wasn't exactly 'flat-lining'....2017 growth was 1.8%, so while not as large a drop as Germany's, it WAS a drop. It could even be 'spun' to be a 22% drop in growth!
 
I see Weatherspoon's are not doing so well.
Do you think it might be because the owners political stance has irritated 48% of his customer base.;)
Although, personally, I think his refusal to stock EU beers may have backfired.:love:
 
That is a fair point, LP and Metalmickie have probably covered this one. She is not alone there though. It will be interesting to see how many MPs in a similar position will lose their seats next election.

Irrespective of how she votes though her constituents are still entitled to have someone there on their behalf.

My grief LT is this. I honestly believe she should not of been allowed to vote. And in all honesty I never knew there were other convicted MPs in the HOP. There in lies a major problem for me. No one if convicted and serves a custodial sentance should set foot in the HOP. These people who pass the laws that govern this country are breaking them. She was caught speeding. Hands up those that have not been caught. But she then went on to try and get someone else to take the SP 30.
I totally agree that her constituents should be represented, or at least some of them. She is not the first and won't be the last to vote against her constituents wishes. That in itself, well don't set me off. But not only is she back in the HOP, she has shown no shame in what she has done.
 
I do love a good late night rant. Sweep used to be good value for those. A 10 post, frustration filled flurry at 4 in the morning was always fun to wake up to.
On the subject of our favourite stuffed animal with a hand up his rectum, anyone seen Sweep recently?
And that was a(nother?) 4-pinter!
 
My grief LT is this. I honestly believe she should not of been allowed to vote. And in all honesty I never knew there were other convicted MPs in the HOP. There in lies a major problem for me. No one if convicted and serves a custodial sentance should set foot in the HOP. These people who pass the laws that govern this country are breaking them. She was caught speeding. Hands up those that have not been caught. But she then went on to try and get someone else to take the SP 30.
I totally agree that her constituents should be represented, or at least some of them. She is not the first and won't be the last to vote against her constituents wishes. That in itself, well don't set me off. But not only is she back in the HOP, she has shown no shame in what she has done.

However that negates the entire rehabilitation process that our society is built upon

What if somebody gets a conviction for affray when in their 20s but turns their life around and goes into politics.. should they be banned?

We as a society are happy for people to be convicted of crimes but once out nobody wants to give people a second chance.. which then people get into a cycle of crime if they can’t put it behind them

Now not all crimes are the same.. for example Adam Johnson imo should never play footy again because his crime is too serious to play football again. On the other side if he needs money (not that I think he does) he should be able to work in an office away from kids

She’s been voted in at the moment. Until that changes her vote and presence there can’t be questioned
 
However that negates the entire rehabilitation process that our society is built upon

What if somebody gets a conviction for affray when in their 20s but turns their life around and goes into politics.. should they be banned?

We as a society are happy for people to be convicted of crimes but once out nobody wants to give people a second chance.. which then people get into a cycle of crime if they can’t put it behind them

Now not all crimes are the same.. for example Adam Johnson imo should never play footy again because his crime is too serious to play football again. On the other side if he needs money (not that I think he does) he should be able to work in an office away from kids

She’s been voted in at the moment. Until that changes her vote and presence there can’t be questioned

Really?
What jobs is he, therefore, eligible for in your eyes?
 
Really?
What jobs is he, therefore, eligible for in your eyes?

Well as he is on the sex offenders register that will limit him to what jobs he will be able to carry out - he won’t be able to play professional football being on the register imo
 
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