Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Mudball]

So May asked for an extension till June 30. Why has she done that? Was i the only one who thought she was going to work with Corbyn to come up with a solution. So has a solution been found or has she found one without Corby? She also says that we will participate in EU elections if needed.

Till about 2 weeks ago, i thought i knew what was going on, but i think i have lost the plot too... This is becoming one of the BBC police drama set in the grim North East with a few dead bodies, corrupt cops, killers with a heart and where no one knows who is shagging whom or who will be next to be knocked off..

 

[spongebob59]

Theresa May has asked EU leaders for a further delay to Brexit to 30 June.
As Philip Hammond said to me, the EU is very likely to insist on a much longer extension (if any) - unless the PM and Jeremy Corbyn can demonstrate by Wednesday's EU council meeting that they have agreed a way forward not only to approve the Withdrawal Agreement by then but also ensure the passage of the crucial accompanying legislation, the Withdrawal Agreement and Implementation Bill. Proving to the EU that the UK would not need yet another extension to avoid a no-deal Brexit currently looks a huge stretch.
And the point is that EU leaders do not want the UK to be constantly bothering them with further requests for Brexit delays. So the PM could be forced to accept either a Brexit delay of a year or so, or indeed (still not impossible) a no-deal Brexit on 12 April.
PS The PM has confirmed the UK will now start proper and expensive preparations for participating in elections to the EU parliament, even though the UK voted to leave the EU, and even though May is hoping the EU will allow her to cancel the actual casting of votes by UK citizens the day before the poll is due to happen on 23 May, if parliament actually agrees and implements her Brexit deal by 22 May. Many would say this makes a mockery of an important EU democratic process.
PPS By requesting a delay to "just" 30 June, Theresa May is trolling those who want a confirmatory referendum, or people's vote, because that delay is nowhere near long enough to accommodate a referendum. She is also trying to embarrass Jeremy Corbyn into agreeing a Brexit compromise before Wednesday, because if he doesn't she will be able to accuse him of blocking a short Brexit delay to "just" 30 June and wanting to trap the UK in the EU for much longer. This is raw brutal politics.

 

[User62651]

Theresa May has asked EU leaders for a further delay to Brexit to 30 June.
As Philip Hammond said to me, the EU is very likely to insist on a much longer extension (if any) - unless the PM and Jeremy Corbyn can demonstrate by Wednesday's EU council meeting that they have agreed a way forward not only to approve the Withdrawal Agreement by then but also ensure the passage of the crucial accompanying legislation, the Withdrawal Agreement and Implementation Bill. Proving to the EU that the UK would not need yet another extension to avoid a no-deal Brexit currently looks a huge stretch.
And the point is that EU leaders do not want the UK to be constantly bothering them with further requests for Brexit delays. So the PM could be forced to accept either a Brexit delay of a year or so, or indeed (still not impossible) a no-deal Brexit on 12 April.
PS The PM has confirmed the UK will now start proper and expensive preparations for participating in elections to the EU parliament, even though the UK voted to leave the EU, and even though May is hoping the EU will allow her to cancel the actual casting of votes by UK citizens the day before the poll is due to happen on 23 May, if parliament actually agrees and implements her Brexit deal by 22 May. Many would say this makes a mockery of an important EU democratic process.
PPS By requesting a delay to "just" 30 June, Theresa May is trolling those who want a confirmatory referendum, or people's vote, because that delay is nowhere near long enough to accommodate a referendum. She is also trying to embarrass Jeremy Corbyn into agreeing a Brexit compromise before Wednesday, because if he doesn't she will be able to accuse him of blocking a short Brexit delay to "just" 30 June and wanting to trap the UK in the EU for much longer. This is raw brutal politics.

Interesting insight. Got to believe the current manouvering is purely 'save party' based rather than for the good of the country from May.

I dont like May's new proposed June 30th as a revised Brexit date so I hope any extension is longer as I fly into EU on 29th June for hols. Just dont need the worry of 'what ifs' wrt passports, flights, currency rates etc.

Should I get an international drivers permit thingy now? Has anyone done that yet?

 

[jp5]

Penny seems to have dropped for Mr Rees-Mogg that while we're in the EU we have enormous power. A late realisation I suppose, but better late than never.

 

[SocketRocket]

Penny seems to have dropped for Mr Rees-Mogg that while we're in the EU we have enormous power. A late realisation I suppose, but better late than never.

And empty pockets.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I've pinched this from elsewhere, it did make me chuckle.

 

[IanM]

Penny seems to have dropped for Mr Rees-Mogg that while we're in the EU we have enormous power. A late realisation I suppose, but better late than never.

We? Or them? On the basis the UK resolution are the most often defeated, that's pretty clear. But nice of us to keep funding it.

Also nice to have the Govt confirm my view that we have no intention to leave, otherwise no need to prep for EU Elections.

 

[pendodave]

Interesting insight. Got to believe the current manouvering is purely 'save party' based rather than for the good of the country from May.

I dont like May's new proposed June 30th as a revised Brexit date so I hope any extension is longer as I fly into EU on 29th June for hols. Just dont need the worry of 'what ifs' wrt passports, flights, currency rates etc.

Should I get an international drivers permit thingy now? Has anyone done that yet?

I got one a few weeks ago, as I am driving in Europe next week... Maybe I was a little hasty
Only cost a few quid and is old school cardboard thing with stick on passport photos and has to be manually franked by the post office chappy.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Now now, live and let live. Leavers had this and it's predecessing thread swamped for a long time with much mob goading of remainers/remoaners, things have evened out more recently with a better balance of argument from several newer contributors on both sides imo. SILHs contributions are as valid as anyone else's and he ploughed something of a lone furrow for quite a long time asking salient questions leavers couldn't answer. Seems a lot of what he said has come to be shown correct.

Did you not consider that the reason for the improved balance on the thread was the absence of the wind up merchant who went out of his way to spoil it?

 

[jp5]

We? Or them? On the basis the UK resolution are the most often defeated, that's pretty clear. But nice of us to keep funding it.

Also nice to have the Govt confirm my view that we have no intention to leave, otherwise no need to prep for EU Elections.

We.

On the losing side of EU votes 2% of the time.

Doesn't sound too bad. I'm sure Mrs May would be happy with that figure!

 

[User62651]

I got one a few weeks ago, as I am driving in Europe next week... Maybe I was a little hasty
Only cost a few quid and is old school cardboard thing with stick on passport photos and has to be manually franked by the post office chappy.

Just got one, too much uncertainty not to. Throwback to the 1970s looking at it, like a ration card.
Between getting photos and paying for the licence I'm £11.50 down plus standing there lost 15 minutes as it was handwritten out.

Never mind, the good old days are coming back.

#thoroughlydepressingneedlessBrexit.

 

[jp5]

And empty pockets.

I look forward to taking back the hefty 0.3% of our GDP we spend on EU membership and spending it, and a fair bit more, on red tape!

Although to be fair as our GDP has slowed due to us doing nothing but Brexit, that figure might creep up to 0.31% soon!

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I look forward to taking back the hefty 0.3% of our GDP we spend on EU membership and spending it, and a fair bit more, on red tape!

Although to be fair as our GDP has slowed due to us doing nothing but Brexit, that figure might creep up to 0.31% soon!

So if Brexit is the reason for our economic growth slowing what is the excuse for the other EU countries?

 

[jp5]

So if Brexit is the reason for our economic growth slowing what is the excuse for the other EU countries?

Sure that each country has their own issues, but we're pretty much bottom of the table.

Perhaps if we invested the money we wasted on planning for a no deal that the PM was never going to happen we'd be doing a little better.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Sure that each country has their own issues, but we're pretty much bottom of the table.

Perhaps if we invested the money we wasted on planning for a no deal that the PM was never going to happen we'd be doing a little better.

Care to support with facts the claim in your first sentence?

Some EU countries are slightly better whilst others, including Germany and Italy, are slightly worse.

 

[SocketRocket]

I look forward to taking back the hefty 0.3% of our GDP we spend on EU membership and spending it, and a fair bit more, on red tape!

Although to be fair as our GDP has slowed due to us doing nothing but Brexit, that figure might creep up to 0.31% soon!

You're comfortable for us to pay north of £110 million to fund EU elections then. How about employing a raft of NHS employees instead 😞

 

[robinthehood]

You're comfortable for us to pay north of £110 million to fund EU elections then. How about employing a raft of NHS employees instead 😞

Pfft isn't the 350 mil a week going to the NHS

 

[Dando]

Pfft isn't the 350 mil a week going to the NHS

Give it a rest, it was never said it was going to the nhs

 

[SocketRocket]

Pfft isn't the 350 mil a week going to the NHS

Yes, if we ever manage to leave. Another 110+ mill would be a cherry on the top

Looks like the lots going down the plug hole though due to the treachery being carried out by parliamentary Remainers they should start a new party. The Kippers (Two faced with no guts) 🐛🐜

 

[robinthehood]

Yes, if we ever manage to leave. Another 110+ mill would be a cherry on the top

Looks like the lots going down the plug hole though due to the treachery being carried out by parliamentary Remainers they should start a new party. The Kippers (Two faced with no guts) 🐛🐜

You mean the two faced brexit poster boy's like bojo and Mog, it was there and then they killed it.